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  • #31
    13 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
    9 - Harry S. Truman
    12 - Dwight Eisenhower
    9 - John F. Kennedy
    9 - Lyndon B. Johnson-1
    6 - Richard Nixon
    10 - Gerald Ford
    15 - Jimmy Carter
    3 - Ronald Reagan+1
    10 - George Bush
    10 - Bill Clinton
    5 - George W. Bush
    10 - Barack Obama-1
    "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
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    • #32
      13 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
      9 - Harry S. Truman
      12 - Dwight Eisenhower
      9 - John F. Kennedy
      9 - Lyndon B. Johnson
      6 - Richard Nixon
      10 - Gerald Ford
      16 - Jimmy Carter +1
      1 - Ronald Reagan -2
      10 - George Bush
      10 - Bill Clinton
      5 - George W. Bush
      10 - Barack Obama
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      • PLATO
        #32.1
        PLATO commented
        September 14, 2022, 18:05
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        Ronnie hanging on by a thread. Sigh... Am I the only one who remembers the malaise the Nation was experiencing at the end of the Carter years and the sense of National rejuvenation that Reagan brought? Sigh...(again)
      • Dauphin
        #32.2
        Dauphin commented
        September 14, 2022, 18:08
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        I see Ronnie in the same way I see Maggie. Necessary medicine, but doesn't mean you have to like them.
    • #33
      13 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
      9 - Harry S. Truman
      12 - Dwight Eisenhower
      9 - John F. Kennedy
      9 - Lyndon B. Johnson
      6 - Richard Nixon
      8 - Gerald Ford -2
      16 - Jimmy Carter
      2 - Ronald Reagan +1
      10 - George Bush
      10 - Bill Clinton
      5 - George W. Bush
      10 - Barack Obama
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      • #34
        Reagan didn't bring about ****. The economy recovered as it always does after a downturn and dumb people think Reagan magically did it. I remember how Reagan blamed the AIDS epidemic on gays. I remember how he almost started WWIII in 1983 with overaggressive military exercises. I remember his ****ty supreme court appointments, his crazy religious beliefs, the Iran-Contra affair, cutting services for the mentally ill, being mentally ill himself and not resigning, and generally being a smarmy ****. oh and increasing government spending despite proclaiming his belief in small government. So **** Reagan.
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        • PLATO
          #34.1
          PLATO commented
          September 15, 2022, 11:48
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          None of which defines his greatest value of restoring America's confidence in itself. We could debate a lot of these points, but I will not argue that Reagan was perfect by any stretch. Still...I firmly believe that he was the right man at the right time for what the Nation needed.
      • #35
        -And the Pig who got fired first? That's all Reagan - and the sum***** should have stayed out of my church.
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        • #36
          With that said, I don't he's the 2nd worse President on this list.

          13 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
          9 - Harry S. Truman
          12 - Dwight Eisenhower
          9 - John F. Kennedy
          9 - Lyndon B. Johnson
          4 - Richard Nixon --
          8 - Gerald Ford
          16 - Jimmy Carter
          3 - Ronald Reagan +
          10 - George Bush
          10 - Bill Clinton
          5 - George W. Bush
          10 - Barack Obama
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          • #37
            13 - Franklin D. Roosevelt +1
            9 - Harry S. Truman
            12 - Dwight Eisenhower
            9 - John F. Kennedy
            9 - Lyndon B. Johnson
            6 - Richard Nixon
            8 - Gerald Ford
            16 - Jimmy Carter
            2 - Ronald Reagan -2
            10 - George Bush
            10 - Bill Clinton
            5 - George W. Bush
            10 - Barack Obama

            Not exactly a murderer's row of excellence. Kind of a sad lot overall. I most admire Jimmy Carter and Ike as humans. Jimmy was brilliant and a true public servant, but was not as effective a President as several others. Historically, there's no denying that FDR just freaking changed the game. Proved government could make life better for the common man, and made it work. Oh, and navigated WW2. By far the most consequential President on this list.

            Perspective: Eisenhower was in office when I was born ('53). Kennedy (beloved by my Catholic family) is the first President I remember.
            Last edited by -Jrabbit; September 14, 2022, 21:10.
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            • #38
              Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
              13 - Franklin D. Roosevelt +1
              9 - Harry S. Truman
              12 - Dwight Eisenhower
              9 - John F. Kennedy
              9 - Lyndon B. Johnson
              6 - Richard Nixon
              8 - Gerald Ford
              16 - Jimmy Carter
              2 - Ronald Reagan -2
              10 - George Bush
              10 - Bill Clinton
              5 - George W. Bush
              10 - Barack Obama

              Not exactly a murderer's row of excellence. Kind of a sad lot overall.

              Perspective: Eisenhower was in office when I was born ('53). Kennedy (beloved by my Catholic family) is the first President I remember.
              Okay I'm just going to assume you forgot to update the points & missed my vote:
              14 - Franklin D. Roosevelt +1
              9 - Harry S. Truman
              12 - Dwight Eisenhower
              9 - John F. Kennedy
              9 - Lyndon B. Johnson
              4 - Richard Nixon
              8 - Gerald Ford
              16 - Jimmy Carter
              1 - Ronald Reagan -2
              10 - George Bush
              10 - Bill Clinton
              5 - George W. Bush
              10 - Barack Obama

              Last edited by EPW; September 14, 2022, 21:54.
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              • -Jrabbit
                #38.1
                -Jrabbit commented
                September 15, 2022, 12:51
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                Correct, EPW. Our posts were 2 minutes apart.
              • EPW
                #38.2
                EPW commented
                September 15, 2022, 15:36
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                You didn't update the points so it was extra confusing
            • #39
              14 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
              10 - Harry S. Truman +
              12 - Dwight Eisenhower
              9 - John F. Kennedy
              9 - Lyndon B. Johnson
              4 - Richard Nixon
              8 - Gerald Ford
              16 - Jimmy Carter
              0 - Ronald Reagan -
              10 - George Bush
              10 - Bill Clinton
              4 - George W. Bush -
              10 - Barack Obama
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              • PLATO
                #39.1
                PLATO commented
                September 15, 2022, 11:50
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                I knew it would be you!
            • #40
              For what it's worth, and despite his very real problems, I don't think that Reagan is the second worse, or even the third worse, modern president. Probably fourth or fifth.

              JM
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              • #41
                14 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
                10 - Harry S. Truman
                12 - Dwight Eisenhower
                10 - John F. Kennedy +
                9 - Lyndon B. Johnson
                2 - Richard Nixon --
                8 - Gerald Ford
                16 - Jimmy Carter
                0 - Ronald Reagan
                10 - George Bush
                10 - Bill Clinton
                4 - George W. Bush
                10 - Barack Obama

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                • #42
                  14 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
                  10 - Harry S. Truman
                  13 - Dwight Eisenhower +
                  10 - John F. Kennedy
                  9 - Lyndon B. Johnson
                  2 - Richard Nixon
                  8 - Gerald Ford
                  16 - Jimmy Carter
                  0 - Ronald Reagan
                  10 - George Bush
                  10 - Bill Clinton
                  2 - George W. Bush --
                  10 - Barack Obama

                  JM
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                  I AM.CANADIAN
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                  • #43
                    14 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
                    10 - Harry S. Truman
                    14 - Dwight Eisenhower +1
                    10 - John F. Kennedy
                    9 - Lyndon B. Johnson
                    0 - Richard Nixon -2
                    8 - Gerald Ford
                    16 - Jimmy Carter
                    10 - George Bush
                    10 - Bill Clinton
                    2 - George W. Bush
                    10 - Barack Obama

                    Time to get tricky Dick off the list. Can't imagine anyone thinking he would be the best Pres. Ike gets a vote just because the Interstates are amazing.
                    "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
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                    • EPW
                      #43.1
                      EPW commented
                      September 15, 2022, 17:03
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                      Nixon may have been our smartest President. Unfortunately he was a racist corrupt psychopath too.
                    • PLATO
                      #43.2
                      PLATO commented
                      September 15, 2022, 19:23
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                      Good Lord! Looking at the list, I think you may be right about Nixon being the smartest. Who the hell are we voting for!?!
                    • EPW
                      #43.3
                      EPW commented
                      September 15, 2022, 19:30
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                      Just walk towards the light. Jimmy is waiting.
                  • #44
                    14 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
                    10 - Harry S. Truman
                    15 - Dwight Eisenhower + 1
                    10 - John F. Kennedy
                    9 - Lyndon B. Johnson
                    8 - Gerald Ford
                    16 - Jimmy Carter
                    10 - George Bush
                    10 - Bill Clinton
                    0 - George W. Bush - 2
                    10 - Barack Obama

                    Bye Bye Bush
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                    ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man​
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                    • #45
                      14 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
                      10 - Harry S. Truman
                      15 - Dwight Eisenhower
                      10 - John F. Kennedy
                      9 - Lyndon B. Johnson
                      6 - Gerald Ford -2
                      16 - Jimmy Carter
                      10 - George Bush
                      10 - Bill Clinton
                      11 - Barack Obama +1
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