Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Dinner]

Supposedly it was about 20% Wagner 80% regular army and they ran away as soon as they saw the tanks, AFVs, and rocket artillery deploying. Ukraine has spent the last week using HIMARs to destroy ammo dumps and command and control centers in the area causing most of the ammo shortages Piggy has been complaining about. Moral seems bad on the Russian side if they all just start running the moment the Ukrainian strike force is visible.

[Dauphin]

I've not read/watched the news yet. Was it a Ukrainian win, a Wagner withdrawal or as per a headline that I saw on my phone that had Prigozhin claiming the regular army were running away?

[PLATO]

Nice counter-attack in Bakhmut last night. Looks like Ukraine regained 18 sq. kilometers of the city. This looks like it may have undone several weeks of Russian advances in a single attack.

[Dinner]

https://youtu.be/KxxywKsDBHA

[Geronimo]

The Russian early warning system must be reliable. If they feel blind the odds of Russia launching a full nuclear exchange increase dramatically. If necessary China should repair or replace the early warning system to get it reliable again.

[pchang]

Lucky for them, no one wants to nuke them.

[Broken_Erika]

1/ Rampant corruption is reported to have rendered Russia's ballistic missile early warning system virtually useless. Scams by contractors are said to have led to unsuitable foreign-made components being used on a wide scale.​

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1655449330021433347

[PLATO]

What is so hard to understand about an elected parliament voting to impeach an authoritarian President is not a coup?

Yes...there was a protest...yes it got violent in some but not all cases. That happens a lot. That did not oust the President. Parliament, acting under their constitutional authority, ousted the President.

Citizens in Donbass rebelled against the legitimate government after meeting with Russian diplomats. The legitimate government sent troops to quell an insurrection on their sovereign territory. That should have been the end of it.

Then you have "little green men" starting to appear everywhere and THEN people really began to die.

Conspiracy theories and root cause actions are easy to speculate about and twist evidence to meet desired "facts", but the record is clear. The elected representatives of Ukraine, acting under the will of the majority of the people and the Constitution of Ukraine, replaced their President.

Putin was butt hurt they didn't love him so he decided to kill or rule them. Pretty clear how pissed he was when you see them executing people in the street and bombing apartment buildings.

It is ridiculous to keep spouting off about moronic Russian propaganda as if it was truth.

Putin is a murderer, a megalomaniac, and a wanted war criminal. Those are the realities.

[Berzerker]

I would not recognize seceeding from Ukraine as any kind of moral high ground in response to the coup. I would recognize the paramilitaries seizing public buildings and seceeding in my and my neighbor's names in response to the coup as the problem. I would not regard the Ukrainian coup headed government paramilitaries that were sent to fight the separatist paramilitaries as the problem. I would certainly regard the Russian FSB carpetbaggers who took over the separatist leadership as a problem as well.

Maybe it's not the donbas but your hatred if neocons and their agendas that is really blocking your view?

Right wing nationalists intent on culturally cleansing society of diversity kill a bunch of people to topple the man you elected and they show up to shell your town and you dont have a problem with them? Say it aint so... Since you've blamed your neighbors would you join Azov when they showed up? You are blaming your neighbors, right? You act as if they supported the coup and were replaced by Russian pod people.

The people of the Donbas supported Minsk, they supported more autonomy. Considering the nature of Azov and their allied nationalists a 'free' Donbas would have been a sanctuary for Ukrainians fleeing persecution. Yeah, thats the moral high ground. And I dont think you'd react to that by blaming your neighbors. I think you would have called for peace and agreed to support Minsk or some variation. The people behind the coup are responsible, not their victims, not your neighbors.

[PLATO]

1.) Prigozhin whines about ammunition
2.) Drone explodes over Kremlin
3.) Ammunition promised

Gotta love Russian Politics....

[Dinner]

The book was great but took forever to read. I spent a good amount of 2000 in Kosovo reading it in-between doing my duties with the peace keeping force KFOR. Actually well written in a way you never could have done during the communist period so, yes, the Tsars were better than the Soviets. Communists are always evil repressive ****s.

[BeBMan]

Wondering if it's still worth reading Tolstoy's "Special Military Operation and Peace"

[Uncle Sparky]

The President of Ukraine was at the International Criminal Court in The Hague. Right in the building making a case against Russia... Putin needs to go there to set the record straight. Under oath. In a glass booth for his safety.

[Thoth]

Most of what comes out of Prigozin's mouth is posturing and noise and shouldn't be taken at face value.

[Dinner]

LOL! That is twice he did that now.