Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[-Jrabbit]

Immediately pivoting to allegations about Biden when Ming is posting about Trump's impeachment = a perfect example of whataboutism, Dinner.

[Berzerker]

The Nazis were in control of security. Why would Putin cause a massacre to topple the guy? Oh yea, cuz they blew up their own pipeline and dam.

[Berzerker]

More Maga nonsense. He was impeached for using his office for personal gains.
You can argue all you want about Biden doing this or that, but it doesn't change the fact that Trump abused his power for personal gains.
He was not impeached for the weapons. Nice try, but total BS.

During the proceedings accusers said he delayed weapons to Ukraine thus endangering national security. In reality he was impeached over hypocritical BS the Dems had already done, from soliciting foreign election interference to using money and weapons for Ukraine to investigate political opponents. The difference is the Dems were lying about Trump and the Biden clan did get millions from Burisma and Joe fired the prosecutor investigating Hunter's company. That should have been investigated regardless of who was president.

Before and after the election Democrats repeatedly asked Ukraine to investigate Trump, Ukraine even interfered in our election. Why is it okay to spend years investigating Trump over the lies the Democrats told to frame him as a traitor but he gets impeached for asking Zelensky to investigate influence peddling and election interference? The Biden family gets millions from Ukraine and Trump's the one accused of personal gain for wanting that investigated? Up is down.

Trump's argument was he didn't trust Zelensky and wanted him to take the matter seriously to earn that trust. Investigating the conspiracy to help Hillary win was a factor in his relationship with Zelensky. I dont know how much personal gain he got, Biden only became the frontrunner after the SC primary. He got impeached for delaying weapons, course Biden threatened to withhold a billion to fire the prosecutor harassing his son's company. But the security state hates Trump so we cant expect consistency from them. Didn't Obama repeal some regulation restricting the security state apparatus from propagandizing Americans? Jimmy Dore has mentioned that a few times.

[Dinner]

There is no whataboutism. Biden literally sold the powers of his office as V.P. in exchange for millions in bribes. That is literally what you accused Trump of doing except Trump didn't take millions in bribes where as Biden did.

[BlackCat]

What Russian sources have I used? I've seen the BBC interview a sniper, forensic evidence of the crime scene, and live police radio traffic all showing gunmen fired on cops and protesters. The cops retreated so the snipers kept shooting protesters. Odesa soon followed as the right wing cracked down on dissent. Western media starts noticing a 'problem' while Azov attacks eastern Ukrainian protesters. I've seen a few of the interviews with Right Sector et al bragging about how they were the muscle behind the revolution. I gotta believe Obama knew what was coming if he didn't outright order it, but whatever, he did embrace the coup and help it succeed. And then he and Joe armed these fine people to kill protesters along the border with Russia.

So what specifically do you want documented? Nazis killing or attacking Ukrainians? Open your eyes, they've been doing it for years with our tax dollars. The people in the Donbas must roll their eyes when US presidents lecture the world about the war on terror.

You keep up talking about this "BBC interview" but there are no evidence of nazi involvement in that - more likely russian involvement. As I said, prove it without using russian sources.

[Berzerker]

his source is in the flood zone

[Berzerker]

Hasn't western media spent months hyping a spring offensive? The reason this war wasn't prevented much less stopped is because of foreign pressure.

[Donegeal]

The real irony here is that as VP, Biden didn't have the power to halt payments to foreign powers until his personal bidding was done.

[Berzerker]

Alexander Vindman reported Trump's call because he used weapons to get his investigation. If Trump never tied the weapons to his request he wouldn't have been impeached. Ofc the Dems are hypocrites about what he did, they were telling Ukraine to investigate Trump and Biden used a billion $ bribe to fire the prosecutor harassing Burisma. Ukraine did interfere in our election and Trump wanted that investigated.

[Donegeal]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-troops-appearing-to-execute-their-fellow-soldiers-as-they-attempt-to-flee-the-field-of-battle/vi-AA1cuCgQ?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=b1aae9d50f1a494d95a335320cb3ac97&ei=45

There is no retreat for Russian conscripts who don't even want to be there.

[pchang]

If we set aside the whole "whataboutism" thing, the Ukrainian prosecutor was accused of corruption at the time. It was only a few months ago that more Ukrainian officials were dismissed on corruption grounds. Making sure that the money being sent is mostly spent on what it was supposed to be spent on (like say name brand military spec tires) is in the national interest. So no. Not the same.

[Dinner]

More Maga nonsense. He was impeached for using his office for personal gains.
You can argue all you want about Biden doing this or that, but it doesn't change the fact that Trump abused his power for personal gains.
He was not impeached for the weapons. Nice try, but total BS.

The irony being Biden literally did the same thing as V.P..

[-Jrabbit]

Saying Trump's impeachment was over foreign policy is pure effing BS, Berz.

[BeBMan]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...9-f8557a758fae

Azov is bad. I've never said otherwise, and I've never praised them in this fight. However, sometimes "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". War makes strange bedfellows. Sometimes you to have look at the larger picture, and in this case, Putin and his dictatorship is the bigger picture.

Indeed. And also, Azov is nowhere near as influential as Berz' usual rehash of Russian propaganda bits wants to depict it.

They are basically a brand of fringe/ultranationalist/neonazi which exist to some extent in lotsa countries, west or not. My main criticism would be that they are part of Ukraine's National Guard. But they certainly don't run the country.

The same brand of more-or-less-openly-fascist stuff exists in Russia (just arguing from a Greater-Russia POV), and not only in fringe groups or "thinkers" like Dugin, it is clearly present in Putin's thinking and actions.

[Donegeal]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-western-media-is-whitewashing-the-azov-battalion/ar-AA1ctVvk?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=7c9b5bec39de4444b3ca60acf1fafa81&ei=6#comments&commentId=01490eeb-4e71-45c4-a409-f8557a758fae

Azov is bad. I've never said otherwise, and I've never praised them in this fight. However, sometimes "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". War makes strange bedfellows. Sometimes you to have look at the larger picture, and in this case, Putin and his dictatorship is the bigger picture.

My Dad has told me time and again, "How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time." Putin and Ukraine is the current bite. Azov is a much smaller bite and we'll chew them up later; but for right now, they're helping us chew this bite.