Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Dinner]

The issue with that story is that, and I remember from when it happened, everyone (in Europe) wanted that corrupt prosecutor gone. If Hunter was asking for the prosecutor to be gone (Which we have no evidence for), so was everyone else, and how can you say that it was corruption for the administration to push for his removal without evidence of that corruption (that not only did Hunter push for it, but that it was Hunter pushing for it and not everyone else pushing for it that caused it to take place)?

JM

Not everyone by far. Also no, Joe personally said either the special prosecutor investigating corruption at Burisma gets fired or else he (Joe) would cut off U.S. foreign aid to Ukraine. We now know that just before Joe made that threat which succeeded that Joe Biden got $5 million in cash (distributed to a dozen family members to hold for him) plus Joe insisted that Hunter heade a member of Burisma's board of directors for $1 million per year despite him having no management experience, no oil experience, and being a raging drug addict.

It is literally selling official acts for personal gain. We had two Burisma execs who have admitted this happened plus we have the money transfers confirming the $5 million did indeed get delivered as promised, and now we have 17 tapes the Burisma CEO made talking about the bride and what he expected for it (15 with Hunter and 2 with Joe himself).

[Ming]

Reality seems to be no part of the Maga narrative.
Trump didn't care about a war or anything else except himself.
But like all of the other Trump lies... it WAS NOT a perfectly OK phone call... just like his call to Georgia.

[Dinner]

Yes, Russia controlled the dam control house and had the only road access. It would take vehicles to transport thousands of tons of explosives and we have video evidence from Russians themselves as well as videos of individual Russians admitting they had mined the dam back in Nov 2022.

[Jon Miller]

The issue with that story is that, and I remember from when it happened, everyone (in Europe) wanted that corrupt prosecutor gone. If Hunter was asking for the prosecutor to be gone (Which we have no evidence for), so was everyone else, and how can you say that it was corruption for the administration to push for his removal without evidence of that corruption (that not only did Hunter push for it, but that it was Hunter pushing for it and not everyone else pushing for it that caused it to take place)?

JM

[-Jrabbit]

Trump had only one agenda: to attack his 2020 political opponent, just as he did with Hillary in '16.

Which is why he is so brazenly accusing Biden of a political attack now. It's exactly what Trump did. Twice.

[Berzerker]

they were in control of the dam as you point out

[Dinner]

You think a dam in Ukraine belongs to Russia, eh? Also, yes, without a doubt Russia mined the dam half a year back, Russia had sole access to the control room, and Ukraine didn't have access as Russia blew up the road from the Ukrainian side half a year ago.

[Berzerker]

The irony being Biden literally did the same thing as V.P..

Biden's kid was getting millions from a company Joe protected from a prosecutor. Trump wanted that investigated.

[-Jrabbit]

Immediately pivoting to allegations about Biden when Ming is posting about Trump's impeachment = a perfect example of whataboutism, Dinner.

[Berzerker]

The Nazis were in control of security. Why would Putin cause a massacre to topple the guy? Oh yea, cuz they blew up their own pipeline and dam.

[Berzerker]

More Maga nonsense. He was impeached for using his office for personal gains.
You can argue all you want about Biden doing this or that, but it doesn't change the fact that Trump abused his power for personal gains.
He was not impeached for the weapons. Nice try, but total BS.

During the proceedings accusers said he delayed weapons to Ukraine thus endangering national security. In reality he was impeached over hypocritical BS the Dems had already done, from soliciting foreign election interference to using money and weapons for Ukraine to investigate political opponents. The difference is the Dems were lying about Trump and the Biden clan did get millions from Burisma and Joe fired the prosecutor investigating Hunter's company. That should have been investigated regardless of who was president.

Before and after the election Democrats repeatedly asked Ukraine to investigate Trump, Ukraine even interfered in our election. Why is it okay to spend years investigating Trump over the lies the Democrats told to frame him as a traitor but he gets impeached for asking Zelensky to investigate influence peddling and election interference? The Biden family gets millions from Ukraine and Trump's the one accused of personal gain for wanting that investigated? Up is down.

Trump's argument was he didn't trust Zelensky and wanted him to take the matter seriously to earn that trust. Investigating the conspiracy to help Hillary win was a factor in his relationship with Zelensky. I dont know how much personal gain he got, Biden only became the frontrunner after the SC primary. He got impeached for delaying weapons, course Biden threatened to withhold a billion to fire the prosecutor harassing his son's company. But the security state hates Trump so we cant expect consistency from them. Didn't Obama repeal some regulation restricting the security state apparatus from propagandizing Americans? Jimmy Dore has mentioned that a few times.

[Dinner]

There is no whataboutism. Biden literally sold the powers of his office as V.P. in exchange for millions in bribes. That is literally what you accused Trump of doing except Trump didn't take millions in bribes where as Biden did.

[BlackCat]

What Russian sources have I used? I've seen the BBC interview a sniper, forensic evidence of the crime scene, and live police radio traffic all showing gunmen fired on cops and protesters. The cops retreated so the snipers kept shooting protesters. Odesa soon followed as the right wing cracked down on dissent. Western media starts noticing a 'problem' while Azov attacks eastern Ukrainian protesters. I've seen a few of the interviews with Right Sector et al bragging about how they were the muscle behind the revolution. I gotta believe Obama knew what was coming if he didn't outright order it, but whatever, he did embrace the coup and help it succeed. And then he and Joe armed these fine people to kill protesters along the border with Russia.

So what specifically do you want documented? Nazis killing or attacking Ukrainians? Open your eyes, they've been doing it for years with our tax dollars. The people in the Donbas must roll their eyes when US presidents lecture the world about the war on terror.

You keep up talking about this "BBC interview" but there are no evidence of nazi involvement in that - more likely russian involvement. As I said, prove it without using russian sources.

[Berzerker]

his source is in the flood zone

[Berzerker]

Hasn't western media spent months hyping a spring offensive? The reason this war wasn't prevented much less stopped is because of foreign pressure.