Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[PLATO]

Just wondering if you actively sit around and say "What is the stupidest post I can make today?"

[Berzerker]

NYT reports US officials are concerned Ukraine has become 'casualty averse'

[Berzerker]

we must spend a trillion every year on weapons and we cant keep up with Russia

[Berzerker]

Given all the war crimes the Russians are committing in occupied regions, and all the propaganda stating that Ukraine and Ukrainians don't really exist, then surrendering is pretty much either dying or genocide.

if we have to rely on Ukraine and the CIA for information I have no reason to believe that, logic is a much better path to the truth. Why doesn't Moscow just level Kiev when Zelensky is meeting with his top brass (on day 1)? Do they lack the means? No... even conventional weapons are sufficient to destroy any and all cities. Did you know Russia was selling fuel to Ukraine and letting them export food? Hell, we're still buying uranium from Russia. What does that tell you? Putin tried to pressure Zelensky into honoring Minsk and they had a deal in Mar '22, Biden sent Boris to declare (proxy) war instead.

[Thoth]

Sounds a lot like Putin's Russia.

[Ming]

It has more to do with links than it does length of posts. Sometimes, even one link is enough to classify it as spam

[Geronimo]

Now it's my turn to have my very long post stuck in approval limbo. I guess anybody who replies will want to reply in 2 parts. That's probably what I should've done

[Geronimo]

All of the cities of Donbass.
I've shown you video reports from the American ex-marine Russel Bently.
You didn't give a damn about all video evidences.
And surelly your mainstream media will never show you the war crimes of Ukraine.
They do even better - they took video of Ukranian war crimes and say that it's Russia.

That's the problem with video evidence isn't it? It's not always easy to see where, or when it came from and unless there are relatively close images of any faces of anybody talking, it can be impossible to tell if it's even the original soundtrack, let alone the original unedited sound track. I try to figure out which narrative makes the most sense and generally keep my acceptance of the validity of evidence provided in a sort of quantum indeterminate state weighted by what makes the most sense and which claim requires the more plausible assumptions. You Serb, on the other hand, clearly just look for which interpretation makes Russia look better and believe any evidence from any source that supports that. You also get a lot of help from State control of Russian media. They grab anything contrary, spin some bull**** debunking narrative explaining why it's fake and you uncritically accept it.

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Ukrainian and Russian atrocity rates are about exactly the same. Why shouldn't they be? Their military traditions have the same roots. Unlike you, however, I don't see that it matters. Russia had no business intervening in Ukraine. Not if there was a "coup" of one branch of elected government overturning the other through legally dubious means and maybe not even if there was a traditional coup where Ukrainian unelected agents and military officers simply arrested the legally elected leader or forced him into exile. There especially would be no business in intervening if the coup (of whatever sort) was followed by multiple internationally monitored and civilian run elections in which the "coup" leaders only lost power and which new faces unaffiliated with the "coup" eventually took power through legal means. If Russia has no business or mandate to intervene in Ukraine, then which side is committing which atrocities doesn't really matter any more than it would have mattered if Iraq had possessed WMDs. Without a mandate for action the US had zero business invading Iraq. Of course the US actually had a much bigger fig leaf of a mandate to do so via several duly passed UN security resolutions, but as the mandate was dubious and not clear I reject it as exonerating the invasion of Iraq. How in the hell does anybody excuse Russia invading Ukraine?

Not even a close to what you have did!
When we fought against inetrnational terrorists, sponsored and supported by YOU (the West), you called them freedom fighters, and wholeheartly supported people who took pregnant women as hostages and blew civilian buildings. You did support those separatists, unlike the separatism of Donbass region. So, you are just double talking liars!
As for your question, unlike Ukranian Nazis, who use civilians as a human shield and placing their weapon systems like Patriot inside the civilan blocks (which leads to casualities among civilians, when YOUR AA-systenms fail and hit the civilian buildings, your media portray as acts of Russian atrocities), when we stormed Grozny, we had provided a humanitarian corridor and let civilians to flee the city. Same story in Ukraine - we provide a safe passage for civilians, but your Ukro-Nazi lackeys just don't let the civilians to leave a war zone, because their need them as a human shield.
That tactics was implemented first by you with your another private army - ISIS. It's absolutely the same!!!

For as long as AA-systems and the state of Russia and the USSR before it have existed they had had AA-systems deployed to cities in Russia. Why don't you complain about that? Ukraine also provides corridors (which Russia attacks) for fleeing civilians. Why do you believe that they don't? what are your sources for believing that they don't? Below are a few sources from media not allied to Ukraine for rejecting the claim that Ukraine blocks civilian evacuation:

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/4/3/why-we-need-to-challenge-russias-human-shields-narrative

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/ukraine

Grozny now is one of the most beatiful and incredibly safe Russian cities!
A Western eye witness:

And from the drone with no comments:

Tell me, what American invasion forces had left in the cities of Iraq and Afghanistan that they have leveled to the ground without any corridors for civilians to exit?

YOU HAVE KILLED MILLIONS!!!
Literally - MILLIONS!!!
And left only RUINS!!!
Period!

(not that I expect that your media will ever show you results of your artillery sheling of Fallujah for example and how those ruins still look like).




So, you don't have any moral ground to lecture us about anything!

Guess whom Ukranian "freedom fighters" fear more than Russians now?

Chechens!!!

Because we have settled our problems between us and now they are our Muslim brothers and fierce warriors fighting against you and your Shaitan (Satan) puppet!
We are in the same boat now, despite the war we had 20+ years ago.
And they are as Russian, as myself!
Because to be Russian is not about ethnicity or Religion, it is about how you define yourself and how do you see and feel the other World.
It's about a common culture, which combines 193 EQUAL nationalities and languages, where each one is unique, but alltogether they create a single Russian symphony!
You, colonial West, and genocide doers, will never understand that!

So, when entrapped in their Donbass basements Russian speaking civilians, used as human shield heard "Allah akbar!!" their reply was - "Thanks God, our guys are came!"

And that is no joke and propaganda!

Allakh just mean "God" or "Allmighty" in Arabic. Simple as that.

And we've been living with our Muslim brothers for centuries in one country peacefully.

Unlike you!!!

Grozny was more completely destroyed than Fallujah Serb. What sources tell you otherwise? Grozny being pretty now and Russia having friendly Chechen military formations does squat to refute that. The US had Mujahedeen fighters battling Saddam in Kuwait. You really think that means Afghanis and the US were buddies in general?

Grozny was 90% destroyed and left with 10% of it's pre-assault population.

https://www.euroasia-uclg.ru/news/novosti-evraziyskogo-otdeleniya/stolitsa-chechni-poluchila-nagradu-oon-5-oktyabrya-2009-g-v-vashingtone-sostoyalos-vruchenie-nagrady/

Fallujah (is that standard supposed to make Ukrainians feel better about a Russian special operation to conquer their territory?) You find a picture that shows ruins of Fallujah. How does that help Ukraine? How does that make Ukrainian cities sharing Grozny's fate less likely? Do you think they will feel comforted by the fact that Russia rebuilt Grozny all shiny after they took over?

They didn't invest a penny in the Donbass region before 2014, instead they were just sucking all blood from it.
Your fantasies about how they could have rebuild places for the population they hate so much (Russians in Donbass) are either a naive ignorance or intentional bullsh!t!
Or an escape from reality.

I was in Crimea in 2006, me and my wife had a vacation there.
And I was in Crimea before, when I was kid. The only reason we went to Crimea was to visit the Sevastopol, where my grandfather was wounded and received another medal for liberation of Crimea fro m the Nazis.
Crimea is poured with Russian blood since the 18th century and "Ukraine" has nothing common with Crimea!!!

NOTHING!!!
It is a Russian land!!!

So, in 2006, after 15 years of Ukranian rule they have turned the place into a complete sh!thole!
It was awful!
In 2006 the place was worse than it was in Soviet Union in late 80's.

And since we get Crimea back in 2014, we have turned it to a candy!

PERIOD!!!

They certainly invested a lot in Mariupol from 2014 to 2021 though didn't they? It was quite nice. The overwhelming majority of Mariupol's inhabitants spoke Russian as their first language. If all Kiev wanted to do was oppress Russian language speakers, how did one become president and how did one of their towns get rebuilt with Ukrainian government money?

As far as Ukraine having nothing in common with Crimea, so what? literally every country in the world recognized Crimea as Ukrainian. Kaliningrad oblast as nothing to do with Russia either and I don't hear you suggesting it should perhaps have the opportunity to become independent or join another country. It sounds like you think borders only matter when they serve Russia's interests and if they don't Russia get's the option to redraw them so they *do* serve Russia's interests. Why should any other country respect that?

You mean this Azov?






In Nazi Germany, the Wolfsangel symbol was widely adopted in Nazi symbolism. It is not clear whether the driver of its adoption was Hitler's strong personal association with wolf imagery (the Wolf's Lair for example), or to create an association with the post-15th-century symbol of German independence and liberty, which had a particular relationship to the achievement of German freedom from foreign influence by force.^[A Nazi leader and his family. The youngest girls wear Wolfsangel symbols in horizontal form as members of NS-Frauenschaft's Deutsche Kinderschar for children.
The symbol was used by a range of military and non-military Nazi-linked groups, including:

• the 19th Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)
• the 19th Panzer Division (Wehrmacht)
• the 33rd Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)
• the 206th Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)
• the 256th Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)
• the 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich
• the 4th SS Polizei Panzergrenadier Division
• the 34th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Landstorm Nederland
• the Sturmabteilung "Feldherrnhalle" Wachstandart Kampfrunen (SA "Warlord's Hall" Guard Regiment)
• the NS-Volkswohlfahrt organization
• the Flämische Nazionalsozialistische Kraftfahr Korps (Vlaamsche NSKK)
• the "Vlaamse wacht" / zwarte brigade (Flemish guard / Black brigade)
• the "Dietse Militie" (Dietsch militia)
• the Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging NSB, Dutch Nazi fascist party, whose magazine was De Wolfsangel
• the Werwolf plan of resistance against allied occupation was intended to use this symbol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfsangel

Or maybe this Nazi Donbass batallion?







Where can I get your weed or heroin?

You have no clue what your Nazis dogs were doing to the local population!
How many people have been raped and tortured to death for supporting Russia.
Their best entertainment was to foam (construction foam from balloons) female vaginas.
Just like your ISIS puppets foamed the throats of their prisoners in Syria.




They DID!!!
But your media will never tell you about that!

Nazi is as Nazi does. Mariupol looked a lot nicer for Russian first language speakers *after* Azov took over than it did when the separatists had it. I guess you're wrong about them. Maybe it takes more than a flag or badge to determine moral integrity? Why do you believe this account about foam torture being popular among Azov members? How could you possibly determine if it was popular? It reminds me of the bull**** that came from all sides during the first world war or the bull**** about Iraqi soldiers dumping premature babies onto hospital floors to steal incubators.

I have made a typo, not 2500, but 250 000 (two handred and fifty thousands!) were prepared to invide Donbass and had started all the preliminary action like heavy bombardment of the other side positions (cease fire of Minsk agreement? Nah, never heard about that within the last eight years).

I have spilled beer on my keyboard, so the "0" button on my numpad doesn't work properly now.


You idiots and your Ukranian puppets!
When we have started our operation we have been outnumbered 3 to 1!
But still was managed to fking crush your puppets.
Knowing that force ratio surelly they thought we would never risk to help Donbass in a full scale intervention.

Saakashvili thought so in 2008, when he attacked Osetia.
Idiots always have their own plans and patters.


250 000, not 2500!!!


According to internationally recognized borders Ukraine is a part of USSR or a separatist republic itself.
Period!

You can't support separatism in one case and oppose it in another (unless you are a total lying bastard or an American).
Period!

I generally don't support separatism. I generally oppose it, especially armed insurrection in support of it. I can have some respect for it if it follows more than 1 generation of difficulty but even then the separatists need to pursue peaceful political process for a couple generations before force is justified. Kosovo, Crimean and Donbas independence is BS frankly. You have wasted your bold large font proclamation on me.

Just, in what kind of fairy World you are living at, really?

You can be beaten nearly to death and sometimes to death for just speaking Russian at Ukraine.
It is a highly NAZIFIED society!
Period!



LOL! We were!
By the people of Donbass (which is a historically Russian lands, populated by Russians, but given away to the Ukranian Soviet Socialistic Republic by Lenin in 1920's).

Serb, if this was true you'd hear about from more than Russian sources. Instead every time this claim is made it traces back to Russians. What about all of the other foreigners would corroborate all of those bodies? hundreds of unverifiable you tube videos and hundreds of guests on Russian TV won't do it. In any case it doesn't matter if even the entire former USSR territory were to have been legally property of Russia. That decisively ended when Russia signed those borders away decades ago. The US signed away the Panama canal. Is there some circumstance in your POV where the US could make a new territorial claim on it? maybe if there was a coup in Panama? Or maybe if some people in Panama started being mean to English speakers in Panama? I'm guessing not.

Once again - I have made a typo, not 2500, but 250 000 (two handred and fifty thousands!) were prepared to invide Donbass and had started all the preliminary actions like heavy bombardment of the other side positions (cease fire of Minsk agreement? Nah, we never heard about it).




Where did you get your 90% support number?

Anyhow, you are LOL, really!
They live in a Nazi state, where they grab any male on the street and throw him to die at battlefield, including disabled people.
It's unbelievable that you have your eyes wide shut about all the Ukranian videos of forced mobilization.

Do you need me to provide you some example of how Ukranians themselves shot videos about male persons being beated and grabbed to war by Ukranian mobilization team, who are patrolling their cities?
You don't believe me (as any brainwashed Westerner, whom its media never shows that?)
Ok, I'll start with one:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xR_xPFoFMw4?feature=share

A male civilian person throwing stones to the "conscription" officer who wanted to enlist him.

This guy was lucky to get away.


Meanwhile in "Soviet" Russia there are over 1500 (one thousand and five hundred) are volunteering to the army EVERY DAY!!!
Without any coercion.

While Ukraine are losing about 1000 KIA daily!

90% number was in response to Ukraine being 90% Russian speaking (first plus second language) and your assertion that speaking the language mastered by 90% of the population was *banned*. How could you *not* assume 90% support for the special military operation in Ukraine if that were true? If all this crap about Russia being overwhelmingly volunteers while Ukraine has to kidnap and beat their soldiers into submission were true then that should make war fighting a military super power of war gods from a neighbor country that much more impossible for the Ukrainians. You see a video of the Ukrainian government deploying press gangs to recruit soldiers. So what? They would be crappy disloyal low morale ineffective soldiers. Instead they repeatedly manage to reverse Russian gains and take back territory. So I call BS on your claims that Ukraine suffers 1000 KIA a day. Russia clearly always enjoyed the material advantage and you're now claiming they enjoy a large surplus of volunteer troops vs Ukraine's deficit of volunteers and reliance on hostile conscripts and they are losing 1000 KIA per day.

You can shove your UN estimates where it belongs to.


They were trying to make sense to Ukranian masters (USA and EU).
The cease fire treaty was signed at Minsk in 2014. The whole point of the agreement was to give Donbass a wide autonomy, but keep them inside the Ukranian state.
You have supported this agreement (as long as Russians let Ukrainian forces out from pockets).
Acording to the confessions of Ukranian president Poroshenko, cancelour of Germany Merkel and president of France Oland whom signed this agreement, it was just a delay to build-up Ukranian army and resolve the conflict by force (as the time has shown - in 2014).
They, THEMSELVES have confessed about that!
All three of them have publicly said that they have lied to Russia!

It doesn't matter whether anybody supported Minsk. Ukraine got nothing from Minsk, ever at all. If Russia wasn't in Ukraine, how could they "let" Ukrainian armed forces out of "their pockets"? If Russia *was* in Ukraine then they were invading and Ukraine would need them out for any peace treaty to be viable. Russia publicly lied about Russian armed forces in Crimea, they lied about Russian armed forces in the Donbas, and they lied about material support to the "Separatists". Why shouldn't everybody else lie to Russia? For Ukraine, in the total absence of any good faith delivery or sign from their opponents the treaty (foisted on them at gun point and foreign invasion regardless) was a dead letter from the get go. Minsk I and Minsk II were still-born because Russia claimed all along that it would not be bound by any terms of the treaties whatsoever. Who is going to honor that?

LIED!!!


Same was during the Istanbul deal.

You simply CANNOT be trusted, Americans!
Because Ukraine is just your mad dog, wich decides nothing and all decisions are made in Washington D.C.
You are proven liars nobody wants to deal with.

tell me about the lies in the Istanbul deal. Tell me how we can tell when decisions are made in Washington D.C. vs when they are made locally.

That is bullsh!t!
You are eating what they feed you!
Literally you eat sh!t!
And pretty happy to eat that sh!t!
They took a video of shelling of Donetsk and tell you that it's a Russian attack on civilian targets.
Same was in Syria.
You are living in world of lies, Geronimo!

You put great stock into videos that you see. I do not. You apparently believe however that videos I may have seen implicating Russia or exonerating Ukraine are easily manipulated. How are you so sure the video's that *you* rely upon are not manipulated?

We don't really care what a Western brainwashed population think.

You don't understand a simple thing, really!
There are 5.3 million of Ukranian refugees in Russia and 4.9 million in whole Europe!
And that number doesn't include millions who hd moved to Russia right after the coup of the 2014, 'cause they knew where it is going to.

You simply cannot understand that we are ONE PEOPLE!!!

And absolute majority of us have relatives, God damn you, VERY CLOSE RELATIVES at Ukraine, just as well as them have a very close relatives in Russia.
(to whom they have moved when YOU HAVE STARTED TO THROW A SH!T ON THE FAN IN 2014!!!)

My grandma was born at Kiev an a 100% Ukranian.
We just lived in ONE STATE FOR CENTURIES, God damn you!!!

BURN in HELL with all your American LIES!!!


"Our cause is just. The enemy will be defeated. Victory will be ours!!!"

How the hell did they do it in 2014 Serb? You think the US took over a state that was a loyal Russian friend populated by VERY CLOSE RELATIVES of Russians by killing 100 protestors and police with paid snipers and this granted the US control over the country? How did that work? Why did the US gain and maintain control over 50% Russian Ukraine but not over, say Afghanistan?

Serb, your cause is unjust, but perhaps your enemies will be defeated and some sort of victory will be yours. Time will tell. But nothing will ever make the special military operation any more "just" than any fascist land grab let alone atrocities like the coalition invasion of Iraq which at least refrained from being a land grab.

[Geronimo]

If he sincerely believes there is anyone with any power in Poland, let alone control willing to invade Ukraine he's much further down the rabbit hole that I would have guessed possible. Just wow.

[PLATO]

Russia can end this war any day they wish by withdrawing from Ukrainian territory.

[PLATO]

Yeah, because U.S. weapons manufactures should work for free when producing weapons. Where the heck did you expect the money to go...Ukrainian manufacturing? This just further illustrates your naivete. But you do you Bullcrap Berz!

[PLATO]

Interesting that there is clear evidence that the Russian backed South Ossetians started that round of trouble. Just another Russian op to get a land grab conflict going.

[PLATO]

With what? T-55's? Poland moving into Western Ukraine? Man, does the Duma have you under their sway! Some of your posts are the best comedy of stupidity I have ever seen. You do you Bullcrap Berz!

[PLATO]

Don't count out the Israeli's and their tech!

[PLATO]

Attack NATO...Find out.