Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[PLATO]

Seeing reports that Ukraine is telling Pentagon that they are close to a breakthrough.

My guess is that they will have a little maneuver room between 1st and 2nd line of defense and will make limited progress before things slow down again. Putting Tokmak in range of tube artillery would be a significant advance though. Tokmak is strategically significant in that it controls the east-west rail line and is a surface road hub. Russia loses that and logistics become enormously more difficult for their southern army. Getting it under fire control will start a process of seriously degrading Russia's ability to continue a robust combat regime north of Melitopol.

[PLATO]

Amphibious landing in Western Crimea?

Looks like a couple of squads in a raid on a long range radar station. Quick in and out.

[pchang]

Amphibious landing in Western Crimea?

[Thoth]

The good news just keeps coming. :b

[N35t0r]

Yeah, I'll give it to Putin, credit where credit is due, he has made a huge inroad into denazification today.

[BeBMan]

If Utkin is gone too denazification would make a huge leap forward:

Among those presumed dead alongside the Wagner leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin, in a plane crash near Moscow was Dmitry Utkin, who was often described as the founder or co-founder of the mercenary group although his exact role was disputed.

His own call sign was “Wagner”, after Hitler’s favourite composer. The investigative website Bellingcat wrote in 2020 that Utkin had “an obsessive fascination with the history of the Third Reich” while another recent report described him as “festooned with numerous Nazi tattoos, including a swastika, a Nazi eagle, and SS lightning bolts”. The Wagner group was apparently named after him.

However, according to a 2020 report by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, an American thinktank, “it cannot be verified whether Utkin initiated the establishment of Wagner group or was only a frontman for someone else”.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/24/who-was-dmitry-utkin-wagner-commander-plane-crash-yevgeny-prigozhin

[Thoth]

Excellent news.

Now all we need is confirmation that Surovikin has accidentally fallen out of a window after drinking polonium tea.

[Uncle Sparky]

According to the flight manifest, yes.

[PLATO]

Or maybe he makes a deal with Belarus and leads another coup. It would seriously tick me off if someone fired a missile (yeah sure...no proof of the missile) at a plane I was supposedly on just because I was supposedly on it.

[PLATO]

Apologies for the insults Berz. Intended just in the spirit of debate, but now that I know they actually offend you I will stop. One request though, will you at least attempt to see reason?

[Berzerker]

Both Wagner founders were on the plane?

https://youtu.be/sxKDeANGcao

[dannubis]

He shouldn't have booked that window seat though...

[N35t0r]

Right, when the Russian army invaded Crimea.

[N35t0r]

There's just no evidence at all of any deals, but believe me, they existed!

[N35t0r]

Shut the **** up. Kharkov was occupied territory at the time and way behind the front. No Ukrainian soldiers were shooting at the Russians, just Russians shooting at unarmed women and children. Also, I like that you talking out of your ass is truth but actual people living throught the issues are not.
Everyone not in Russia's pocket is calling it a genocide, and a large part of Russian rhetoric towards Ukraine is admitting to wanting to genocide the Ukrainian nation and their culture. For being on paper so opposed to Nazis, their MO is surprisingly similar to that of the Nazis.
Putin wanted this war. He invaded. Much more Russians have died in the war so far than total people were killed since he sent weapons and 'volunteers' to foment insurrection in the Donbass after illegally annexing crimea. Your stupid arguments are like claiming that Saddam wanted the US to invade because he was being evasive about WMDs.