Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Ming]

Again... you are taking the side of a war criminal who has invaded another country, with his troops killing and raping the people he claims to be protecting. It's a land grab... FACT.

And it is surprising you never post any of the crap Trump has done, but you keep posting all the made up crap about Biden you see on the internet, while continue to using the MAGA Brandon nick name.
Until you do, one can only assume that you are a Maga Trump supporter.
Feel free to attack him as much as the stuff you pull out of your ass against Biden. Oh, that's right, you never do attack him. I wonder why...

[Berzerker]

You keep saying good things about Trump... you quote from alt right conspiracy sites, you use MAGA terms like "Brandon", you seem to trash Democrats, yet you claim you aren't a Trump supporter. RIGHT

And one more time... please PROVE that Biden started the Ukraine War. Oh that's right, just BS opinions you saw in a video.
Putin is to blame. FACT. But you position Putin as a hero. Total BS. He is the real war criminal.

Democrats were the lesser evil 20 years ago... Now they're warmongering, election rigging censors pushing vaccine mandates while claiming to be pro-choice. I didn't vote for Trump but I find defending him easy given the glass houses and sand castles of his accusers. The war started in 2014 when Obama backed a right wing coup and sent Nazis to kill Ukrainian protesters. But not just any protesters. Ever wonder why? In response to the coup Russia took Crimea. Why didn't Ukrainians flock to Crimea's defense against the invading horde? Well, Crimea didn't support the coup and Obama wouldn't allow it because Russia has its Black Sea fleet there.

Obama ran on a peace platform against Bush's war in Iraq (not Afghanistan, no peace 4 u, so sorry). I almost voted for him based on that alone. But then he started more wars than Bush and Democrats chose as his 2 successors the Senators who helped Bush lie us into the war, wtf. Hillary and Joe voted for Bush's war and Trump advised against it weeks before Bush gave the order. How did that turn out? It's not even a contest, Trump is the lesser evil and the Democrats are channeling Joe McCarthy, J Edgar Hoover and the Dulles brothers.

The heroes are the people who defended themselves from Nazis, Putin didn't send troops in for months after the war started and just enough to stop Azov's advance and get peace talks started.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

That guy is a hero to our Ukrainian friends

[Geronimo]

it's over an hour. is there a transcript available?

[BlackCat]

Oh, if you have some spare minutes, then there are also this little video :

[BlackCat]

Interesting video about Patriots, F-16 and shot down russian fighters

[Ming]

You keep saying good things about Trump... you quote from alt right conspiracy sites, you use MAGA terms like "Brandon", you seem to trash Democrats, yet you claim you aren't a Trump supporter. RIGHT

And one more time... please PROVE that Biden started the Ukraine War. Oh that's right, just BS opinions you saw in a video.
Putin is to blame. FACT. But you position Putin as a hero. Total BS. He is the real war criminal.

[Berzerker]

I wish I could speak fondly of Democrats, 20 years ago they were the lesser evil. The ones who voted against Bush's invasion of Iraq anyway (and special kudos to Barbara Lee for opposing the Afghan war, she deserves the Dem senate nomination in California for that alone). Trump opposed invading Iraq, but not Joe, not Hillary, they were lying us into the war just like Bush, Cheney, Rummy and Powell. These are war criminals. Hate is a strong word, but my family isn't dead because of these sociopaths.

[Ming]

Yawn... more anti Democrat BS.
I guess you will never blame Putin for starting a war. You know, the country he invaded.
But he seems to be your White Knight/Herol

[Berzerker]

Azov (the Ukrainian right wing) and the USA give the orders, not Zelensky - he tried to pull Azov back in accordance with a peace deal and they told him to get lost and he did. The CIA had their backs, not his. When they no longer agree the USA will give the orders and Azov will end up like ISIS in Syria after Trump pulled the plug on Obama's moderate rebels. The west is killing 2 birds with 1 stone, kill Russians and kill Nazis. George Soros is a Ukrainian billionaire who lived thru the Nazis. Do you really think he likes Azov and wants Right Sector running Kiev long term? Ofc not, neither do we unless they're dying to kill Russians. We just had to kill Ukrainians first to get the Russians involved.

Obama started the war in 2014... He started a few wars, Libya, Yemen, Syria, god only knows what he did in the rest of Africa.

[-Jrabbit]

You do realize, don't you, that your entire house of cards relies on the idea that Ukraine took orders and decided its future on the word of...Boris Johnson???

[-Jrabbit]

Makes no sense. You can't create an "autonomous republic" within a sovereign nation.
And if you believe there is any way Putin would put Crimea on the table, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.
But hey, I agree that cutting the balls off their "brothers" in Ukraine would be a great deal -- for Russia.

[Ming]

Again... please provide actual proof of any of that.
You keep stating that over and over again, but it doesn't make it any more true.
Putin started the war, NOT Biden. Putin invaded another country to grab more land. Fact.
The "people" he claimed to be saving were the the ones that suffered the most... being killed, raped and having their lives destroyed by Russian troops.
And even still for now, Putin's idea of peace/cease fire rests on him keeping land that Russia currently holds. That and Ukraine has to continue bending over to Russia.
Stop trying to make Putin the hero in this ugly and deadly war.

[Berzerker]

ISIS conquered half of Syria under Obama. Trump ended Timber Sycamore and within months ISIS lost nearly everything. Ukraine verified? lol. He invaded because his offers were repeatedly violated or rejected. After he invaded his next offer was taken seriously until Biden sent Boris in to kill the deal... and Ukraine.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/...ncerns-ukraine

[Berzerker]

the deal he offered in March '22 would have left the Donbas in Ukraine as an autonomous republic, prohibited a ban on the Russian language with no Nato along with limits on Ukraine's future military. If Ukraine ceased being a launching pad for western malfeasance Crimea would be on the table. I think thats a great deal, how about you?

[Geronimo]

I didn't identify the assassin, his own people already murdered a negotiator back when these peace talks were ongoing and probably why Putin agreed to keep the details secret. But yes, if Zelensky tried to make peace he'd likely be assassinated by the Ukrainian right wing and/or the USA or we'd offer our blessing like we did with the coup (assuming we didn't plan that too). If Putin wanted Zelensky dead he'd be dead.

The narrative of a massive counter attack decimating the Russian army advancing on Kiev is BS, they withdrew because they had a deal. Here's our deal: you get rich or you get dead. Not many people would choose the latter. Of all the main players in this who would kill Zelensky for refusing to do as told? Yeah, the Nazis and Joe Biden.

If Ukraine 'wins' Nazis will control the Donbas and Crimea thanks to us. That aint gonna happen. I wouldn't even inflict them on the rest of Ukraine. Why did we empower effing Nazis to run Ukraine? The place was already suffering from massive corruption. As for the deal:

"Arakhamia said that internationally mediated negotiations in Istanbul, shortly after the March 2022 talks in Belarus, actually produced an agreement between Ukraine and Russia to bring the fighting to an end—on the basis of those same points.

“[The Russians] were ready to end the war if we accepted neutrality like Finland once did. And we were ready to make a commitment that we would not join NATO. When we returned from Istanbul, [then-British Prime Minister] Boris Johnson came to Kiev and said: ‘Do not sign anything with them at all; just go to war,’” Arakhamia said."

"According to Schroeder, the deal would have included four main points: The first was that Ukraine would abandon plans to join NATO. The second was that bans on the Russian language in Ukraine would be removed. The third was that Donbass would remain in Ukraine but function as an autonomous region. The fourth was that the U.N. and Germany would offer to supervise the security agreements. The Crimea situation was left to be addressed in the future."

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/u-s-repeatedly-blocked-ukraine-peace-deals-is-it-rethinking-its-strategy-yet/

Reagan called his terrorists freedom fighters, Obama called his moderate rebels. I never said the west had to arm ISIS, just that we did. The earliest we've admitted to arming ISIS is 2014 with Timber Sycamore and the dispersal of Libya's arsenal. By 2016 ISIS/AQ had taken half of Syria and Obama's moderate rebels were nowhere to be seen other than a little cubby hole up there on Turkey's border where the weapons were entering Syria, gee whiz Wally aint that a coincidink. Trump got elected and ended the policy of arming ISIS and let Russia attack them and within months they were pretty much gone.

the policy of arming ISIS never ended Berz.

Berz if you don't believe the narrative of a massive counter attack decimating the Russian army advancing on Kiev tell me how did Ukraine verifiably acquire so much war material that could only have come from Russia or even which has photo corroboration of a chain of custody that included clear Russian abandonment? Furthermore if Putin planned on keeping these peace agreements why bother invading in the first place, especially if Ukraine never decimated their forces anywhere? Did he judge denazification to be the same as a treaty obligation by Ukraine to never join NATO and adopt the Minsk accords? ...For the record there were never any bans on the Russian language to lift.