Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Serb]

The west constantly upgrades designs and equipment so that they remain state of the art.

Oh, yeah!!!
Like Minuteman-3 and B-52 or many other things like a hundread year old 50 cal. Brawning machine gun or M1911 pistol (the name "1911" speaks for itself, it is the date when it was created), wich was only recently removed from the army inventory.

A constant inovators, my ass!

Russia seems unable to understand that concept this why they were on their propaganda t.v. shows claiming Patriots are the same as the 191 Gulf war only to be shocked to find out their lies were completely untrue.

Now you are playing to be PLATO, Santa Clown!
Repeating his self-proclaiming sh!t word to word!

The latest version of Patriot - Patriot PAC-3 was commisioned in 2001, just 22 years ago. So, it's fairly new by American standards.

[Serb]

Russia routinely lies and massively exaggerates its supposed wonder weapon. Like those Konzhal missiles which are just basic air launch ballistic missiles using essentially 1960's level tech and are not anything new tech wise. This why Patriots routinely shoot down 80% to 90% and sometimes even 100% in an attack despite there only being two full batteries in all of Ukraine.

Yeah! Tell me more of your fancy bullsh!t, Santa Clown!!!

[Geronimo]

For certain they bluff. Keep in mind that there is a history of the US bluffing when necessary as well. I wouldn't take the performance of any system for granted until it is independently physically corroborated in battle.

[Dinner]

The west constantly upgrades designs and equipment so that they remain state of the art. Russia seems unable to understand that concept this why they were on their propaganda t.v. shows claiming Patriots are the same as the 191 Gulf war only to be shocked to find out their lies were completely untrue.

[Geronimo]

Russia routinely lies and massively exaggerates its supposed wonder weapon. Like those Konzhal missiles which are just basic air launch ballistic missiles using essentially 1960's level tech and are not anything new tech wise. This why Patriots routinely shoot down 80% to 90% and sometimes even 100% in an attack despite there only being two full batteries in all of Ukraine.

It might not be as simple as that. The Russians were able to convince India to heavily invest in developing the hypersonic Brahmos-II together with Russia. If Russia had no demonstrable hypersonic tech India would never have partnered let alone successfully tested the Brahmos-Ii.

More likely, Russia built a number of working hypersonic kinzhals but has had difficulty building more recently after depleting the original stockpiles. It could be these latest kinzhals are corner cutting gambles that don't measure up to the original technology.

[pchang]

The concept of maintenance and upgrades (while keeping the same model name) appears to be beyond you. While Russian military trucks may be over 5 years old, we expect the tires to have been replaced every few years. This was a mistake on our part because we thought you maintained your equipment like we do. Now, it looks like you are doing the reverse.

[Dinner]

Russia routinely lies and massively exaggerates its supposed wonder weapon. Like those Konzhal missiles which are just basic air launch ballistic missiles using essentially 1960's level tech and are not anything new tech wise. This why Patriots routinely shoot down 80% to 90% and sometimes even 100% in an attack despite there only being two full batteries in all of Ukraine.

[Geronimo]

No, I won't! Because your hypersonic systems is the same non-existent story as your claims you have anything better, than ICBMs commisioned at Regan era.

If you have - name it!!!

Simple as that!!!

I suppose I won't fault you for not reading it. It describes how important hypersonic weapons will be, comparing them to the longbow in medieval warfare and singing the praises of Russia's hypersonic weapons. It also describes how the US is having great difficulty procuring its own hypersonic weapons and that much larger commitments may be required if industry is to be expected to deliver an answer to Russia's successful hypersonic weapons.


What's not for you to like Serb? Offended they plagiarized from your posts?

[Serb]

You cream your pants all the time when you have something, be it non-existent SDI or failure instead of a plane - F-35, then you talk about secret upgrades (sure, abandoning 5 inch floppy drive was a huge step forward) of your ICBMs!

Don't you realize how laughtable such claims about secrecy are?

[Serb]

No, I won't! Because your hypersonic systems is the same non-existent story as your claims you have anything better, than ICBMs commisioned at Regan era.

If you have one - name it!!!
Name me a single model or a year, when such a non-existent weapon system was commisioned.


Simple as that!!!

[Geronimo]

Is it so hard to type Minuteman-3 in Wiki?

Serb, the Wikipedia minuteman III article actually says a major life extension upgrade program dates to 2010. In no way does the article imply the missiles only or even primarily contain 40+ year old components and systems.

I confess that I didn't think you'd actually post anything, however, so I took the liberty of searching for something to corroborate your claims myself.

I think this one might be the most convincing.

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2021/01/aging-icbms-must-be-replaced-not-refurbished-stratcom-chief-says/171210/

However, as Berz would no doubt point out for us, that site and the individuals quoted for that article are heavily beholden to US defense company interests and would certainly be expected to paint a dire picture of US defense readiness that could be addressed through new spending so I'm not ready to accept it's findings at face value.

It makes more sense to me that the US has upgraded and maintained the nuclear triad hardware extensively with heavy secrecy around the details of the actual maintenance and upgrade details.

You might also like their article on US hypersonic weapons

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2023/03/whats-next-us-hypersonic-efforts-air-force-shelves-arrw/384655/

[Serb]

If you are not, dare to prove me wrong with info about any American ground-based ICBM, wich was not commisioned under Reagan and is not 40+ years old.
Go ahead!

Good luck!

Because the truth hurts!

[Serb]

Happy now, Elon Musk?

[Serb]

I was wrong through, the first flight of your best ICBM was in 1968, not in 1970's.

(I was going from my memory).

[Serb]

Serb can you post some kind of corroboration for every time you say something is a fact?

I'm sincerely interested to learn who is asserting that every piece of the ICBMs in US silos is at least 40 years old for example, not least because that source is almost certainly very wrong

Is it so hard to type Minuteman-3 in Wiki?