Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Ming]

He was just repeating something he saw in an internet video.
He had nothing else to add to the previous post, so he just bailed with more internet nonsense

[Geronimo]

The USA runs Nato

Where was NATO when the US (prez Bush) launched its neocon crusade in Iraq 2003 Berz?

[Berzerker]

The US didn't decline. The pushback was all from Russia's neighbors already in NATO. The US *did* decline to pressure cajole or otherwise convince Russia's neighbors to committing to a speedy acceptance on Russia's special terms. If you recall, Russia insisted that its accession to NATO involve immediate accession of Russia without any of the official process setout in NATOs charter and structural agreements other than the immediate vote for membership. I certainly think the US should have run with it. The US could have threatened to leave if Russia were not accepted. That would probably have been enough to make it work. However the Bush and Obama administrations were both cowards and never pushed for NATO to make the request by Russia for special treatment in joining NATO work. That's not at all the same as "the US declined". The US likely, almost certainly in fact, would have voted yes but the vote would never even occur because massive opposition to Russia's demand for special treatment in joining by the newer members who all had to jump through the painful official hoops and by almost all of Russia's neighbors who frankly publicly didn't trust Russia at all. Russia never joining NATO was certainly a shame but the US was hardly the obstacle. Of course Putin is seldom surprised and it's quite possible he knew his demands would be rejected and his request was insincere but the US probably could have made him prove it.

The USA runs Nato

[Berzerker]

Was/is... neocons want was, not is... Hows that pipeline doing, Joe cares for the environment. The only Russian Nazi I saw was that Wagner guy on the plane with Prig. In Ukraine the children hail cabs when soldiers drive by.

[pchang]

He heard Berz is against spending tax money on war. So he decided to push as far as he can.

[pchang]

Molon labe

[Geronimo]

It's a standard ploy... make up lies, and then try to steal more land.
Like they did in Crimea and then even more of Ukraine once they got away with it the first time.

How incredibly effing stupid would be they have to be to actually do anything with his absurd claim. I have no idea in this case why he's talking about this and hope someone comes up with a plausible explanation.

[Ming]

It's a standard ploy... make up lies, and then try to steal more land.
Like they did in Crimea and then even more of Ukraine once they got away with it the first time.

[Broken_Erika]

Putin stokes tensions with US, declares 1867 sale of Alaska 'illegal'

A brief history of how Alaska became part of the United States: Russia sold it in 1867 for $7.2 million, a deal considered to be mutually beneficial at that time. Nowadays, Alaska, a detached piece of the USA, stands as one of the fifty states constituting the country and has been an integral part of it for over 150 years. Nonetheless, the Russians aren't content with this.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...4a58b777&ei=18

[Geronimo]

Russia asked to join Nato... The US declined. Now why do you suppose we did that? Didn't want Russian resources fueling Europe.

The US didn't decline. The pushback was all from Russia's neighbors already in NATO. The US *did* decline to pressure cajole or otherwise convince Russia's neighbors to committing to a speedy acceptance on Russia's special terms. If you recall, Russia insisted that its accession to NATO involve immediate accession of Russia without any of the official process setout in NATOs charter and structural agreements other than the immediate vote for membership. I certainly think the US should have run with it. The US could have threatened to leave if Russia were not accepted. That would probably have been enough to make it work. However the Bush and Obama administrations were both cowards and never pushed for NATO to make the request by Russia for special treatment in joining NATO work. That's not at all the same as "the US declined". The US likely, almost certainly in fact, would have voted yes but the vote would never even occur because massive opposition to Russia's demand for special treatment in joining by the newer members who all had to jump through the painful official hoops and by almost all of Russia's neighbors who frankly publicly didn't trust Russia at all. Russia never joining NATO was certainly a shame but the US was hardly the obstacle. Of course Putin is seldom surprised and it's quite possible he knew his demands would be rejected and his request was insincere but the US probably could have made him prove it.

[Ming]

I think you missed out on the part where Russia was/is supplying resources to Europe all ready.
Or maybe that the primary purpose of NATO these days is to protect Europe from Russia.
But keep watching those online videos.

And again, what about those Russian Nazi's?

[Berzerker]

Russia asked to join Nato... The US declined. Now why do you suppose we did that? Didn't want Russian resources fueling Europe.

[Ming]

And the Russian Nazi's invaded Ukraine and killed, raped and destroyed the towns of the people you claim they were defending.
But keep talking about the Nazi's on one side only. Because I guess you don't mind Nazi's as long as they are Russian.
GOT IT.

[Berzerker]

Berz, most of the Donetsk oblast has remained in Ukrainian hands throughout the special military operation. if Azov will move in and attack the people of the Donbas if Russia leaves why isn't azov doing that in the Donbas under their control already? it's odd that the most thoroughly flattened depopulated areas in the Donbas are the ones Russia has 'liberated'. It's also odd that when Ukraine has re-liberated parts of Ukraine from Russian control the before and after damage comparisons typically reveal negligible damage between before and after Ukraine moved back in especially in areas as around Kharkiv where Ukraine recaptured them in a surprise operation. The history of the war shows Russia demolishes the entire town and moves in while Ukraine focuses on counter force attacks against the Russian military.
The Russian Military has been the Nazis and at least since 2021 Azov have been the anti-nazi liberators.

We just watched Azov attacking the Donbas for 8 years with our weapons and we have video evidence of Zelensky in '19 trying and failing to disarm and withdraw them and the officer refused because of the protesters (and because the US backs Azov over Zelensky). Thats who our heroes were killing, protesters. Azov are our heroes, right? They did lead the charge against the 'enemy' in '14, no? Why has our propaganda machine tried so hard to hide our heroes from us, thats an outrage. We need a monument to Azov's heroes, how about Bandera Street in a Jewish neighborhood in NYC? We can invite Jon Stewart as master of ceremonies. The areas under Azov's control have long been depopulated of protesters (who do you think Azov has been killing all this time?). The resistance outside their control will be targeted by Azov if Russia withdraws and refuses to help. So Azov attacked the Donbas in '14 to liberate it from Russia in '21.

[Geronimo]

He was responding to Ukraine's 10 pt peace deal requiring Russia leave Ukraine entirely without concessions, that would mean abandoning the people of the Donbas to Nazis. That aint happening.

Berz, most of the Donetsk oblast has remained in Ukrainian hands throughout the special military operation. if Azov will move in and attack the people of the Donbas if Russia leaves why isn't azov doing that in the Donbas under their control already? it's odd that the most thoroughly flattened depopulated areas in the Donbas are the ones Russia has 'liberated'. It's also odd that when Ukraine has re-liberated parts of Ukraine from Russian control the before and after damage comparisons typically reveal negligible damage between before and after Ukraine moved back in especially in areas as around Kharkiv where Ukraine recaptured them in a surprise operation. The history of the war shows Russia demolishes the entire town and moves in while Ukraine focuses on counter force attacks against the Russian military.
The Russian Military has been the Nazis and at least since 2021 Azov have been the anti-nazi liberators.