Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Ming]

And Putin is your hero because he invaded another country and killed and raped the people you claim he was protecting.
What a guy.
But I guess if you scream Nazi over and over again, Putin is the good guy. Guess what, he's a war criminal, and doesn't give a damn about the people... only the land.

[Berzerker]

Yawn... so what. Simple distraction at best.
Why is Putin killing, raping, destroying town and lives of the people you claim he's saving?
Oh that's right, it's a land grab and he doesn't actually care about the people.
But keep saying NAZI, like that makes his war crimes and illegal invasion OK.
Your hero isn't a hero.

Nazis are relevant to the story because it was Nazis who attacked and killed thousands of protesters with our aid and comfort. Mariupol was taken by Azov and held for 8 years and the Donbas was nearly overrun and protesters asked for help and Russia sent troops in twice to stop Azov's advances and peace talks began. A peace that kept the Donbas in Ukraine. How do you explain that if Putin's motive is a land grab? As recently as March '22 Putin was offering basically the same deal. My heroes are the people of the Donbas who fought back, it took balls to stand up to a Nato proxy war with Nazis in the vanguard. That was indeed heroic.

[BeBMan]

Interestng, a danish officer in some local news mentioned that the Ukrainians had som old soviet AA-system called S-200 with a range of 300 km. It was apparently retired in 2013, but if it was only stockpiled under good conditions, it could be brought back to life. Of course not in it's original design, then the russians would recognize it, but if they have been able to change it's radar signature to say a S-300, the russians might see it and just move out of range of a such - then surprise happened when it continued.

I'm not sure I get this correctly ... IIRC there were lotsa rumours about the actual cause of the downing, incl. that it may have been friendly fire (tho it was two planes after all, so that would be an epic fail).

Is the missile thing above hinting towards a Ukrainian strike where they somehow managed to disguise their missile(s?) in use as Russia's?

That would be quite impressive.

[BeBMan]

The word "завоевание" (zavoevanie) in russian has a broader meaning than just "conquest". It may also mean "achievement".

gains, achievements...

Thank you, berZ

[Ming]

Yawn... so what. Simple distraction at best.
Why is Putin killing, raping, destroying town and lives of the people you claim he's saving?
Oh that's right, it's a land grab and he doesn't actually care about the people.
But keep saying NAZI, like that makes his war crimes and illegal invasion OK.
Your hero isn't a hero.

[Berzerker]

The word "завоевание" (zavoevanie) in russian has a broader meaning than just "conquest". It may also mean "achievement".

gains, achievements...

[Ming]

You keep ignoring the illegal invasion, and Putin killing all the people you claim he was saving in a pure land grab.
But keep bringing up Nazi's...

[Berzerker]

Was arming Nazis to kill Ukrainians legal?

https://youtu.be/t1ynZH3J4yM

7 minutes in Glenn Greenwald discusses Zelenky's peace deal

reminds me of the scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail where King Arthur dismembers the Black Knight who doesn't know when to quit

[Ming]

And Putin illegally invaded another county and his soldiers killed and raped those he claimed to be defending, while destroying their towns and lives.
You keep skipping over that part

[Berzerker]

We are not arming Russia, we armed Nazis to kill Ukrainian protesters.

[Ming]

You always ignore Putin's ILLEGAL invasion which has killed thousands of those you claim he was protecting. His soldiers raped the women and destroyed their towns and lives. And all you can say is Biden this and Biden that.

Putin is expanding his empire. That's all there is to it. He doesn't give a damn about any body but the empire. No matter how many Russian and Ukrainians die, he won't give up an inch of land he has illegally taken.
Your Hero.

[Berzerker]

Joe Biden let Ukrainian Nazis murder an American citizen and journalist

[Berzerker]

Thanks for proving my point. This is a land grab by Putin, pure and simple. His troops keep killing and raping the people you claim he's protecting. He doesn't give a damn about the people, only the territory. Right from Putin's mouth... he's a conqueror. The real heroes are those that are trying to stop this illegal invasion by Putin.

He was responding to Ukraine's 10 pt peace deal requiring Russia leave Ukraine entirely without concessions, that would mean abandoning the people of the Donbas to Nazis. That aint happening.

[Berzerker]

To Berz... about 7,000 dead Ukrainians is considered small.

Compared to the 20k in Gaza in 3 months, yes. Now do you have a link showing it was Russia who killed those people? That was a civil war between Ukrainians, Russia got involved twice in 2014-15 when the Donbas was being overrun by Nazis. In 2019 the Azov commander identified protesters as the enemy, not Russians. Kiev and Washington killed most of the civilians in the war, not Russia.

[Ming]

They've been taking land from Ukraine... conquests. And? Putin wont be returning the Donbas to Kiev without major concessions and guarantees for the people living there. You know, basically the same deal they were offering years ago and early '22. The people of the Donbas resisting the Nazis are the heroes. The "protesters"... The protesters at war with our Nazis. Straight from Zelensky's mouth in a moment of unbridled honesty. Azov refused to disarm and withdraw because they were fighting protesters.

Thanks for proving my point. This is a land grab by Putin, pure and simple. His troops keep killing and raping the people you claim he's protecting. He doesn't give a damn about the people, only the territory. Right from Putin's mouth... he's a conqueror. The real heroes are those that are trying to stop this illegal invasion by Putin.