Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[giblets]

Any time someone cites an example from history to support their argument just tell them to go read a history book without elaborating.

[Geronimo]

Again, please consult the history books...

elaborate. maybe we aren't reading the same history books.

[MOBIUS]

It is, however, why the Baltics announced they had the intention to join NATO the second the Russians had stepped off their necks, and they worked as hard as possible to do so. And that's the reason they're still independent nations, rather than us talking about them like we do about Chechnya.

Curious thing about Chechnya is that we were perfectly happy for Putin killing Muslims...

We even rewarded him by inviting him for a state visit and he even met the Queen.

Funny that...

[MOBIUS]

That's also why Czechoslovakia had no problem with being neutral in '68, right? Oh.

Again, please consult the history books...

[N35t0r]

It is, however, why the Baltics announced they had the intention to join NATO the second the Russians had stepped off their necks, and they worked as hard as possible to do so. And that's the reason they're still independent nations, rather than us talking about them like we do about Chechnya.

[N35t0r]

Their neutrality prevented them from being absorbed into the Soviet sphere.

'Finlandization'

Look it up. They were ridiculed for it in the West. What is this toxic masculine need avoid losing face by standing up and fighting an obviously losing fight - instead of walking away and preserving your life...!?

How many people here would stand up to a bully, knowing that if you did you'd be beaten so badly you might even be killed, or just walk away...? We all know the answer. Not me and none of you...🤷

The Soviets wouldn't have allowed Finland to join NATO then, hence why they stayed neutral and maintained their overall independence.

You failed your homework assignment. D-👎

That's also why Czechoslovakia had no problem with being neutral in '68, right? Oh.

[BeBMan]

Hm, using (this) "logic"...what does this make of Russia in relation to China and NK...

[MOBIUS]

Same with Sweden.

Sweden has Finland as human shields 😅

[MOBIUS]

exactly. They had decades of "neutrality" behind them as precedent and they went out of their way to willfully throw that away and lobby and struggle to join NATO. How do you explain that motivation?

Their neutrality prevented them from being absorbed into the Soviet sphere.

'Finlandization'

Look it up. They were ridiculed for it in the West. What is this toxic masculine need avoid losing face by standing up and fighting an obviously losing fight - instead of walking away and preserving your life...!?

How many people here would stand up to a bully, knowing that if you did you'd be beaten so badly you might even be killed, or just walk away...? We all know the answer. Not me and none of you...🤷

The Soviets wouldn't have allowed Finland to join NATO then, hence why they stayed neutral and maintained their overall independence.

You failed your homework assignment. D-👎

[Dinner]

Same with Sweden.

[Geronimo]

Um. You have no grasp of history, do you? 🙄

What did Finland do between the end of WWII and the end of the Soviet Union and why?

That is your homework, genius.

exactly. They had decades of "neutrality" behind them as precedent and they went out of their way to willfully throw that away and lobby and struggle to join NATO. How do you explain that motivation?

[MOBIUS]

Hey geniuses, where are the Ukrainian reserves to arrest the rapid disintegration of their lines in the Donbas?

Oh wait, they were squandered in Kursk...!

The Russians are engaged in multiple encircling manoeuvres that probably wouldn't be possible if Ukraine had strong strategic reserves on that front.

As I warned about and predicted.🙄

[MOBIUS]

Finland also did "what the US wanted it to do". What did Russia do in response? I mean, it is RIGHT THERE. If it wanted to, it could easily reach out and touch someone in, say, St Petersburg or Moscow. Its joining NATO is a much larger threat.

Could it be that the Winter War has not been forgotten?

That, like the mangy, lice infested lone wolf it is, Russia is only picking on prey it believes are much weaker than it is, and is counting on its growls and hackles to intimidate others away from assisting?

...

Well, that's worked out, hasn't it?

Um. You have no grasp of history, do you? 🙄

What did Finland do between the end of WWII and the end of the Soviet Union and why?

That is your homework, genius.

[The Mad Monk]

It's a bit **** when one's main ally (the US), is principally motivated by occupying the territory of, subjugating, and enfeebling its supposed 'friends' (prime example in this case, Germany. But also UK, Japan, South Korea etc.)...

What's more ****ed up is that their friends gleefully accept this maltreatment!

Ukraine maintaining its independence by joining (actually, worse, never being able to actually join) NATO!? 🤣🤣🤣

More like doing a deal with the devil!

Ukraine LOST its independence by doing what the US wanted it to do. True independence is neutrality in this situation, IMO.

Finland also did "what the US wanted it to do". What did Russia do in response? I mean, it is RIGHT THERE. If it wanted to, it could easily reach out and touch someone in, say, St Petersburg or Moscow. Its joining NATO is a much larger threat.

Could it be that the Winter War has not been forgotten?

That, like the mangy, lice infested lone wolf it is, Russia is only picking on prey it believes are much weaker than it is, and is counting on its growls and hackles to intimidate others away from assisting?

...

Well, that's worked out, hasn't it?

[BeBMan]

Can't say the Russian Army is exclusively relying on prisoners, or peole awaiting trial of course:

Last week, the Indian government announced that Russia had discharged dozens of the 91 Indians who were duped into fighting for Russian forces in the country's war with Ukraine. Several of them have since returned home, while the process to bring others back is under way. The BBC's Neyaz Farooquee spoke to some of the men about their struggles.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly6ve2x72xo