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  • Ban me, Uncle.

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    • [QUOTE=Serb;n9449098]
      Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
      Oh, really? The West have started and lost the war to Russia in 2014,
      No they didn't - it was the russians that invaded with "little green men" - the west wasn't involved at all

      didn't fulfill the Minsk agreement signed in 2015 and used all this time to KILL Russians at Donbas and to rebuild the Ukranian army to re-take Donbas by force.
      Russia has intervenued only that is become obvious that Ukraine and her Western sponsors are starting a full-scale offence to Donbas.
      It was the Russians that didn't fulfill the Minsk agreement - they continued the invasion despite they should have pulled out.

      They ARE war criminals they have shelled and still shelling civilians targets at Donbas EVERYDAY, killing dozens of civilians daily.
      You are still watching RTV ? No, there has not been any shelling of civilians at all. Most civilian losses in the Donbas area are due to Russian mining of areas - numbers of deaths is like 20-25 per year.

      You are just a fact denier. We have incorporated 1/5 of their territory and 1/3 of their population into our state, have destroyed their MIC and Energy complex, and you blind fkr still deny that reality?
      No, you have not incorporated anything like that in your state - again, you are watching too much RTV. Actually, you have not incorporated any part of Ukraine in Russia


      Wake-up! The reality is far different from what your media tells you.
      Maybe it's you that should stop watching RTV and listening to Putin

      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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      • Originally posted by Serb View Post
        Ban me, Uncle.
        No way, Serb must not be banned even if he asks for it
        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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        • Originally posted by Serb View Post
          First you call "a" a morons, then you compare them to "b" and call them a "brillant geniouses" which is a direct contradiction with your initial statement about "a". Not to mention that you have never proved that your comparison of "a" to "b" was true.

          That is called logic.
          And you are an idiot.
          Sarcasm is a difficult concept it seems. Cat was calling them idiots when he called them "such brilliant geniuses".
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          • Originally posted by Serb View Post
            Exactly.


            Like you care about your puppets.
            We still own then 1 to 10, despite being outnubered 7 to 1.


            OMG Serb. No military will make two huge withdrawals from their own national territory like the retreats from Kherson and the Kharkiv region while they are inflicting 10 to 1 losses on an enemy which they enjoy overwhelming firepower and combined arms superiority over regardless of any level of numbers of enemy canon fodder. WTF? Do you ever step back to re-evaluate your beliefs?

            Think about the situation in Kherson. If 8 waves of mobilization gave the Ukrainians an 8 to 1 numerical advantage while being at large disadvantage in firepower they would either have swarmed the city immediately or if they tried parking outside it, the Russians would have enjoyed an opportunity to decimate the massed enemy troops using their vastly superior firepower.

            What happened was Russia was taking heavier losses there than Ukraine and had more difficulty supplying their forces in the city so they retreated. That scenario is totally incompatible with Kherson being Russian territory let alone being Russian territory where Russia was inflicting 10 to 1 losses on the Ukrainians while enjoying a massive across the board firepower, economic and logistics advantage.

            Stop and think hard about what the large Russian retreats mean. It is obvious you never have.

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            • Poor Serb...life is tough being a loser from a loser country I guess.
              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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              • In Russia, cognitive dissonance is a survival trait.
                “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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                • It appears another barracks full of conscripts went boom. You'd think Russia would learn to stop bunching tons of troops up in a single building within strike range of the Ukraine but the Russian command seems to be slow learners.
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                  • pchang
                    pchang commented
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                    Some reports said the troops were housed next to concentration of ammo, fuel, and vehicles.

                • Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                  It appears another barracks full of conscripts went boom. You'd think Russia would learn to stop bunching tons of troops up in a single building within strike range of the Ukraine but the Russian command seems to be slow learners.
                  It will be even more interesting when Ukraine gets these (if they do):

                  Lockheed Martin has wrapped up the first systems qualification flight test of its Extended-Range Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System.
                  "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                  • pchang
                    pchang commented
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                    We won't give them the ATACMS (range 300km), so it seems unlikely we would give them this extended range (150km) rocket.

                • More hardware on the way. Some of it should have been done last summer or so, but better late than never.

                  Germany and the US agree to join France in boosting Ukraine's military capability on the battlefield.


                  Then again, the whole war should have been called off by now, but saving lives from whatever side might be some decadent western plot against Russia or something
                  Blah

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                  • pchang
                    pchang commented
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                    While it seems like a lot, the numbers are actually not that significant.

                • 50 Bradley's is nice but even with the French and German donations we are only talking 150 fighting vehicles plus they are three different platforms. That means parts and maintenance are going to be complicated.
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                  • Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                    50 Bradley's is nice but even with the French and German donations we are only talking 150 fighting vehicles plus they are three different platforms. That means parts and maintenance are going to be complicated.
                    Ukraine has done so much with so little and their equipment situation still remains so desperate that this can be a big deal. Flip side is that we could probably get more bang for the buck donating more as Ukraine's maintenance of the initiative is totally dependent on donated material.

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                    • We are going to see Russia closes its borders to prevent men from fleeing. Putin will then declare total mobilization, drafting 1-2 million men, and Belarus will be dragged into the war. Putin is going to role the dice one final time and try to push from Belarus to Kiev. No, 50 Bradley's is not enough nor are a few old IVFs from Germany or even the wheeled light tanks which France is sending. The numbers are just to small. NATO needs to be massively upping the number of Ukrainians troops it trains (250 every two months is nice but the rate needs to be tens of thousands) and we need to give them everything possible.

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