Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Dauphin]

Yes. Mafia state is more apt for his presidency than fascist state.

[Aeson]

In any case, what Trump did is worse than just showing up and looting a corpse. A corpse isn't going to care, and the deed was already done. Trump is actively bullying sentient victims while they are in dire straights, demanding thanks for things he didn't do, lying about what was done, trying to leverage their desperation to get them to pay an absurd amount, and not even guarantee they get anything in return.

[Aeson]

I think he's saying Trump's foreign policy is now US foreign policy. Which it is.

[Geronimo]

It's not far from the truth. Trump didn't give anything to Ukraine. He just showed up to the scene and demanded $500 billion from the victim to negotiate peace, with no security guarantee.

no because Bereta calls Trump's attitude as the US attitude. Trump may not have given Ukraine anything new as president since the end of his first term but the US as a state certainly did. Trump also isn't grabbing the wealth for himself but for the state. The allegory is grossly wrong either way but especially for the US as a state.

if we want an allegory for Trump alone separate from the state we might remember that Trump sent 1.5 billion in military grants to Ukraine. The allegory would probably involve the Trump boss contacting a mugging victim and offering 1.5 billion in weapons in exchange for victim assistance in trying to embarrass the rival Biden family but giving the weapons with no strings attached when the request became public. Then the Rival Biden family took over the organization. Then the mugger came back and mugged the Ukraine victim again and the Biden family granted over 100 million more in weapons and grants to the stabbed mugging victim who picked himself up with the assistance of the Biden family and his neighbors and the victim eventually used the help to make the mugger look as bloodied as the victim. The Trump family usurped the Biden family gaining control once more of the organization and soon halted all Biden grants to the victim unless the victim would offer something in return for his organizations assistance to the Victim while receiving earlier grants under the Biden family and also for future assistance from the organization to be paid under the Trump family.

That's basically the allegory. It does not make sense to say that either Trump is just pilfering dead ukraine for free loot or especially not to say that the US is doing that. Trump's crime regarding respect for Canadian sovereignty (for starters) however may indicate something that bad may be coming but this Ukrainian stupidity isn't it. not yet. hopefully never.

[Aeson]

It's not far from the truth. Trump didn't give anything to Ukraine. He just showed up to the scene and demanded $500 billion from the victim to negotiate peace, with no security guarantee.

[Geronimo]

trump's attitude and that is the US attitude tpowards ukraine is smone is stabbed to death and you steal his golden necklage while he's bleeding to death

and the whole world sees what scum trump and the US is. they will pay very dearly in the future


also that jokme of a human being didn't stop the war he just managed to save a couple power plants for a month, meanwhile russia is bombing hospitals

ahhh. you mean someone gave the person being stabbed thousands worth of weapons with which the victim of the stabbing was supposed to defend themselves while refusing to lift a finger to directly fight the stabber themselves and conspired with the stabbing victims neighbors to arrange for them to help the stabbing victim with low interest loans and some additional weapons until just when it looked like the stabbing victim might overcome the exhausted injured stabber the someone who had given so many weapons abruptly refused to help anymore unless the stabbing victim paid them and declared that all that mattered now was an end to the fighting and loudly claimed that both parties were responsible for the fighting (which had obviously occurred when the stabber had abruptly charged into the victims yard to stab them in their yard while the stabbers friends carried off belongings from the victims yard for the stabber to keep. This someone who now loudly refused to give any more "free" weapons or assistance to the victim offered to continue to do so if the bleeding victim would make them an offer.

The scene is sickeningly cynical and mortifying for the neighbors who had been cooperating with this someone to defeat the stabbers attack. However, it is nothing like the scene you described where the someone first shows up when the victim is dead in order to pilfer loot from the victim without having given or surrendered anything at all on the victim's behalf much less almost as much as all of the other neighbors combined by some measures.

Trump's thoughtless BS and moronic sabotage of effort after 3 years is truly appalling, but it is *nothing* like what you describe. I hope it never becomes anything like that. An important thing to consider is that if the US, like the vast majority of the countries of the world had done nothing whatsoever about Russia's invasion would Ukraine and its allies be better off today? I don't see it. It looks to me like the US has still given far, *far* more to Ukraine than the damage it has inflicted on Ukraine. He's shaking the trust that NATO is founded on to its foundations (for no apparent gain really, I might add) and that jerk-around didn't feature in your allegory. Even worse he is incessantly declaring no respect for Canada's sovereignty and is trashing his own trade treaty that he basically authored and signed and trashing it purely in order to gain a tax revenue stream and telling Canadians that there's no way back to the deal he negotiated and signed unless they abandon their sovereignty, but you didn't have an allegory for that either. Do you really believe this crap or are you just getting lazier with your trolling in your old age?

[Bereta_Eder]

trump's attitude and that is the US attitude tpowards ukraine is smone is stabbed to death and you steal his golden necklage while he's bleeding to death

and the whole world sees what scum trump and the US is. they will pay very dearly in the future


also that jokme of a human being didn't stop the war he just managed to save a couple power plants for a month, meanwhile russia is bombing hospitals

[N35t0r]

Berz would apparently fully support Trump invading Mexico over the Cartels.

[giblets]

Launching a full invasion of a neighboring country because the central government can't control a militia near the border sounds more like a pretext for doing what Putin wanted to do anyway than the actual reason.

[Berzerker]

https://x.com/i/status/1901663404776960096

Boris Johnson explaining why peace failed in 2019 after Zelensky was elected

[Broken_Erika]

Trump echoes Putin's "Ukrainians are encircled" lines, Ukraine sez that's not true. ISW sez there's no evidence for encirclements at this point.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/15/europe/zelensky-putin-kursk-encircle-russia-ukraine-intl/index.html

Maybe there's just different theories about encirclements. Like y'know being encircled and not-encircled simultaneously??? Which is probably an alternative form of encirclement

Schrodinger's encirrclement

[BeBMan]

Trump echoes Putin's "Ukrainians are encircled" lines, Ukraine sez that's not true. ISW sez there's no evidence for encirclements at this point.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/15/europe/zelensky-putin-kursk-encircle-russia-ukraine-intl/index.html

Maybe there's just different theories about encirclements. Like y'know being encircled and not-encircled simultaneously??? Which is probably an alternative form of encirclement

[Ming]

Trump is the leader of only the United States now... since most world leaders think he is a joke. Europe and all of our other "allies" should look else where for friends, because all Trump wants is for them to kiss his ass and do whatever he wants. He is no longer the leader of the free world, and just another petty little child.

[Berzerker]

you will get more people killed

[Berzerker]

That's not in line with his actions in Chechnya, Georgia, Belarus, Crimea and Donbass.

Negotiating for an autonomous Donbass would require Russian troops to leave Ukraine, which isn't something that Putin seems to want.
Also, if Russia cared about that, the time was before invading, not after. You're arguing that the allies in '39 should have tried to negotiate an autonomous Danzig corridor with Hitler rather than declaring war after he invaded Poland.

Negotiating doesn't require that and in late '21 early '22 Russia was still trying to keep the Donbas within Ukraine in accordance with Minsk. In 2019 a newly elected Zelensky went to the Donbas to end the war as he promised during his campaign. He met Denis, the leader of the Azov (effing Nazis) forces and told him to stop his fighting with the protesters and disarm and withdraw. Denis mocked him pointing to his hip revealing he wasn't armed and Zelensky left with his tail between his legs.