Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Serb]

Gee... you invaded, and thought it would be over quick. FACT

What I've said is one thing, what Putin have said is another.
You claimed that Putin wanted to annex Ukraine and do so within a few weeks.
Proove it!!!
When did he said anything like that?

Your moronic leader thought nobody would come to their aid, and he would march right into Kiev.

You surely have a memory of aquarium fish (I mean - very short memory).
The Russians were just 32km away from the center of Kiev, but then withdrew their forces as a gesture of goodwill, because the preliminary peace agreements were achieved in Stambul.
Then Boris Johnson came to Kiev and ordered Ukrainians to fight until the last Ukranian standing. Then Ukranians have cheated as always and after we withdrew our forces from outskirts of Kiev they withdrew their diplomats from the further peace talks.

These are the facts, not your BS claims!

But I guess he was just plain stupid. How long has it been now?

Putin is stupid?

OMG!!!

You've made my day!!!

[Geronimo]

Had UK have a signs of signing a military alliance with Russia or China, you would seen an American invasion without any doubt.
Your statement proves nothing, but UK being an American lackey.

Name an example. Grenada perhaps? others? How did Ukraine's allies respond to the US invasion of Granada back then? I think you will find examples of such US invasions hard to find.

[Geronimo]

Blaming other countries for their invasion to stop the war started by you is bad and immoral, when you have invaded a ten times more countries under a false pretext.

It certainly is not bad and immoral to blame other countries for their invasions. If anything allowing other countries to start wars unopposed because the US starts so many wars will only make it more difficult to successfully oppose US warmongering.

[Geronimo]

Blaming other countries for their invasion to stop the war started by you is bad and immoral, when you have invaded a ten times more countries under a false pretext.

In way shape or form can that US be construed as having started this war. You certainly claim that the US provoked this war but it did not start it. Provoking a war is not starting war.

[Geronimo]

Do you have ANY idea how many countries USA have invaded, because they did something USA didn't approve of?



And we have invaded Ukraine not because they just have done something we didn't approve, but because they have started to kill Russians and kept doing so, despite all the cease-fire agreements they have signed.

Ukraine killing Russians is not what Putin talks the most about when he restates Russian special military operation objectives though is it?

[Geronimo]

You mean the Western sh!t destroyed in numbers by Russians?

Oh, and Gepard is so especially lol, so freaking obsolete.

So tell me, why all your previous game changers didn't help Ukraine so far?
And what makes you think a new game changer will do so?

Care to explain how a fleet of 60 obsolete American fighters can do anything against the fleet of 5000 modern Russian fighters?


The only thing Ukraine needs those fighters for is to carry out a terror missile strikes to the Russian cities. Period.

It will have a chance to make a big difference to Ukraine if used as expertly as they have used everything else they have received but this vast war of attrition is not the kind of "game" that much of any real weapon system can serve as a "game changer" to IMHO in anything less than enormous quantities.

[Geronimo]

It is not so that the US would invade the UK if the UK did something the US didn't approve of.

I have to agree that this seems inconceivable to me. The US government and defense establishment was appalled when, for example, New Zealand banned US boomers from visiting in 1984 during the Cold War. There was a lot of diplomatic noise. There was zero talk or even implied threats of military intervention against New Zealand.

The US has been very Hawkish but generally doesn't attack except for in response to attacks on itself or its allies, even if in many cases these "allies" are only allies in the sense that they were more palatable to US leadership than the attacked enemies of these "allies" were. The US attacking former allies just for becoming allies with rivals who are not at war with the US doesn't seem to ever happen.

[Geronimo]

And Leopards and Javelins and 777 and Paladins and Ceasars and whatever pieces of sh!t the West have already sent to Ukraine.

The Ukrainian's made effective use of all of that kit. none of it performed in any sense as a piece of ****. That said, almost none of it could be characterized as a game changer IMHO. Maybe the HIMARs but I'm not even sure about that.

[Ming]

Gee... you invaded, and thought it would be over quick. FACT
Your moronic leader thought nobody would come to their aid, and he would march right into Kiev.
But I guess he was just plain stupid. How long has it been now?

[Serb]

Can you prove your BS claim that he ever said he wants to annex Ukraine (especially within a few weeks)?

[Ming]

Oh... you mean like your leader who thought he could illegally annex Ukraine in just a few weeks

[Serb]

The only difference between Kennedy and the modern Western leaders (lead my an inmbecile self-propelling old fart Joe) is that he had brains and prefered a compromise (Russians withraw their missiles from Cuba, USA withdraws their missiles from Turkey and iirc, Italy and make a promise to never invade Cuba again) over a Nuclear disaster.

He fought in WW2 and knew what Russians are capable of.
Your modern leadership is just plain insane!

[Serb]

The National security is a top priority for any National leader.

[Lorizael]

If I remember correctly, the last time when Russians have placed their missiles on Cuba, the USA was a couple of seconds away from starting a nuclear apocalypsis, because that was a mortal threat for them.

Yeah, and if Kennedy had brought about nuclear apocalypse over the Cuban Missile Crisis, that, too, would have been bad. Noticing a theme here?

[Serb]

Oh, that is so great that your advanced engine marks my thread as a potential spam after I try to correct my typos in a thread for a third time in a row!

Brilliant. So, I have to cheat your engine and re-post it this way (by posting this preambule)



Care to explain, HOW EXACTLY Ukranians have won their freedom and independence from the Russian imperialism?

Perhaps they have revolted?
There was an uprising?
A long and bloody struggle for independence?
Ah?!
Come on!!!

PLEASE, tell me your bullsh!t story from the parallel reality!

In reality Ukraine was one of the four co-founders of USSR.

Three out of seven Soviet rullers between 1922 and 1991 were UKRANIANS (Khrushev, Brezhnev, Chernenko). One was Georgian (Stalin), one was Jew (Andropov) and only two out of seven were Russians (Lenin and Gorbachev).

Ukranians were a large part of the Soviet rulling elite.

The Soviet Union have industrialized Ukraine and turned an agrarial land into industrial powerhouse.

The Soviet Union gave a huge historically and ethnicaly Russian lands to Ukraine as a gift (Novorossia and Crimea).

The Soviet Union have tried to forcibly Ukranize those historically and ethnically Russian lands to make them Ukraian instead of Russian (beacause bolsheviks had a stupid agenda to dilute Ukranian peasants of Western Ukraine with workers of Eastern Ukraine (ethnically and historically Russian Novorossia), because they believed that workers is the driving force of Communism, not a backward peasants).

Ukranian culture was on its peak during USSR.

After 1991 Ukraine was third or fourth Economy in Europe (PPP) and the second largest army in Europe (btw, with nuclear weapons, ICBMs and a fleet of strategic bombers, not to mention they've got an half of Black sea fleet).
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And now they have f*cked-up EVERYTHING within less than 30 years of their independence and became the poorest country in Europe and one of the most corrupt country in the World!!!

And that had happened long before "the Russian invasion", because Ukraine is a typicall FAILED STATE, a state which never existed before (with the exeption of a tiny period between 1917-1918).

So, no, in reality there was no any Ukranian battle for freedom and independence from the Russian imperialism.

In reality the majority of Soviet people have voted to keep the Soviet Union on referendum of 1991 (link to wiki).

In Ukraine 71.5% of voters have voted for that!


So what freaking win of independence are you talking about?

I am still waiting for your answer, Lorizael!