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Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia
Russia and Ukraine. One of these countries had the third highest number of nukes in the world and in the interest of peace and good relations with its neighbors surrendered all of them to become totally disarmed of all weapons of Mass destruction. All it asked for from the other one was permanent respect for its borders. The other one constantly spends a huge fraction of its military budget to upgrade and improve its largest in the world nuclear forces which it constantly reminds everyone it is ready to use in response to anything at all that it might regard as a threat or potential future threat.
Which one of these is likely responsible for seeking to bring new WMD into the conflict?
in the '90s turkey was almsot om the brink of being allowed to talk about maybe getting inside the EU
now it is a despot state
UK was an equal member of the european family not it is shuned ecomnomically crippled cornerned and at a huge disadvantage
and in Russia there existed mayne sparks of freedom of speech and innovation and europe was with open arms to a new brotherly russia
but now it has become a carricature of soviet times
I don''t believe the urkaine issue will fall off the radar because I do believe that it is the strategic aim of the deep state of the US to cripple russia so it will always have it on its radar and nearly all nato allies will toe the line in that.
so maybe the issue will fall from the attention of the public but not from the radar of the national agendas
I'm not saying that so serb can say ha I told you so because even with the fervent ant-russianism that maybe exists in some echelons of the US system (which is not as visceral as some former soviet countries it still exists) i still think that the russian heroes are those that go against the grain
but there is a regression be that russia turkey or the UK
Maybe poly treats the post suspiciously because the quote news link was still there when I tried to edit it. Let's see if taking the quote link out makes it happy.
Because I belive my own eyes!
They don't show you the mother's cries. They don't show you slaughtered childred.
Serb nobody's own eyes are going to be able to verify any of that for them. We can only see so much as individuals. Furthermore what your own eyes were seeing apparently was video footage on the TV and internet. How does that prove anything? How do you know where it was filmed? How do you know if the sounds and interviews edited into it are authentic?
The Ukranian national hero is Bandera, the collbrationist of Hitler. He and his followers are war crinimals and Hitler's and proven collabrationists condemned by the Nurenberg trial for them slaughtering hundrends of thousands of of Russians, Poles and Jews. Now he is officially a HERO OF UKRAINE with dozens of streets named after him and dozends of monuments erected after him!
OMG, so what? The problem with the Nazis wasn't that they hung Hitler's picture on every corner (he wouldn't let them name anything after him) it was that they started genocide and war campaigns. You need to show that the Ukrainians were engaged in a different warfare than Russians do when Russia has an insurrection and you need to show that Ukrainians have a habit of taking land from other countries.
After 2001 Sept 11 There were plenty of people hanging pictures of Osama bin Laden and naming things after him. Do you think that was grounds for war by the US? Or maybe it was totally irrelevant to any justification for war? FYI in both cases the people praising the bad guys aren't really doing it to emulate them but as the most extreme statement of resistance to the powers they perceived as oppressing their world.
Zelensky was elected as a persident of peace, He had promised to re-unite Ukrine and Donbass by fullfilling the Minsk agreement.
But he lied!
He didn't fulfill a single promise he gave, while he was electing.
He did EXACTLY the opposite of his election promises!!!
Why would you believe that? What would his motive be? What if Putin was just trying to protect his Crimea conquest and needed to make sure Russians recognized the guy leading the target of his special military operation as a bad guy? How would you know if he was manipulating what you saw?
Zelensky probably wanted peace but Putin wanted a frozen conflict to erupt into a visually dramatic casus belli for his special military operation plans. How much room would that leave for Zelensky to make peace?
Million+ of Irqis died in Iraq and it's still a sh!thole.
After 20 years afterf of YOUR invasion under a false claim, you have killed over a million of civilians there and left nothing there, when you run between the tail between your legs.
So, who the f#ck are you to lecture us about Grozny?
After that kind of crap everybody should be lecturing everybody. Putin's response instead was "ooooh! ooooh! Can I do that too? Is it my turn now? Let me! let meeee!"
We protect our people, whom your you and your puppet were slaughtering during 8 years.
Enough is enough!!!
Russia has massively increased the number of innocent Russian speakers killed. Even if you believe everybody except Ukrainian "Nazis" just sat on their hands since 2014 while the "Nazis" killed 14,000 Russian speaking Ukrainians as part of their slow genocide campaign it is still obvious Russia has managed to kill many many times that many in a small fraction of the time.
Of course you have zero evidence of a genocide or ethnic cleansing. There are no areas selectively depopulated of Russian speakers and one of them has been elected president of Ukraine.
You know, back in the 90's you and I were probably both appalled that in the name of stopping genocide NATO was systematically dropping carbon fiber chaff on the Serbian power grid that would keep them in temporary blackouts for weeks at a time while inflicting little permanent damage to the Serbian infrastructure. It seemed that an outside military alliance mounting a special military operation against one side in a violent region in Europe would constitute pure aggression given that accusations of ethnic cleansing had already been levelled against all parties to the regions . Didn't you agree? NATO attacking Serbia for genocide and ethnic cleansing crimes was inexcusable!
Well, In the Balkans there were thousands of ethnically cleansed refugees from areas that were found to have been "ethnically cleansed".
Where in the hell do you find these areas of ethnically cleansed parts of Ukraine? You don't Serb. It never happened.
Because I belive my own eyes!
They don't show you the mother's cries. They don't show you slaughtered childred.
Serb nobody's own eyes are going to be able to verify any of that for them. We can only see so much as individuals. Furthermore what your own eyes were seeing apparently was video footage on the TV and internet. How does that prove anything? How do you know where it was filmed? How do you know if the sounds and interviews edited into it are authentic?
The Ukranian national hero is Bandera, the collbrationist of Hitler. He and his followers are war crinimals and Hitler's and proven collabrationists condemned by the Nurenberg trial for them slaughtering hundrends of thousands of of Russians, Poles and Jews. Now he is officially a HERO OF UKRAINE with dozens of streets named after him and dozends of monuments erected after him!
OMG, so what? The problem with the Nazis wasn't that they hung Hitler's picture on every corner (he wouldn't let them name anything after him) it was that they started genocide and war campaigns. You need to show that the Ukrainians were engaged in a different warfare than Russians do when Russia has an insurrection and you need to show that Ukrainians have a habit of taking land from other countries.
After 2001 Sept 11 There were plenty of people hanging pictures of Osama bin Laden and naming things after him. Do you think that was grounds for war by the US? Or maybe it was totally irrelevant to any justification for war? FYI in both cases the people praising the bad guys aren't really doing it to emulate them but as the most extreme statement of resistance to the powers they perceived as oppressing their world.
Zelensky was elected as a persident of peace, He had promised to re-unite Ukrine and Donbass by fullfilling the Minsk agreement.
But he lied!
He didn't fulfill a single promise he gave, while he was electing.
He did EXACTLY the opposite of his election promises!!!
Why would you believe that? What would his motive be? What if Putin was just trying to protect his Crimea conquest and needed to make sure Russians recognized the guy leading the target of his special military operation as a bad guy? How would you know if he was manipulating what you saw?
Zelensky probably wanted peace but Putin wanted a frozen conflict to erupt into a visually dramatic casus belli for his special military operation plans. How much room would that leave for Zelensky to make peace?
Million+ of Irqis died in Iraq and it's still a sh!thole.
After 20 years afterf of YOUR invasion under a false claim, you have killed over a million of civilians there and left nothing there, when you run between the tail between your legs.
So, who the f#ck are you to lecture us about Grozny?
After that kind of crap everybody should be lecturing everybody. Putin's response instead was "ooooh! ooooh! Can I do that too? Is it my turn now? Let me! let meeee!"
The entire Republic has a population of barely 1.5 million people Serb!
You are endorsing a formula of action in Ukraine which would predict 6 to 7 million civilian deaths as a laudable response to a claimed total of 14,000 Ukrainian ethnic Russians.
How is that not sick and depraved?
We protect our people, whom your you and your puppet were slaughtering during 8 years.
Enough is enough!!!
Russia has massively increased the number of innocent Russian speakers killed. Even if you believe everybody except Ukrainian "Nazis" just sat on their hands since 2014 while the "Nazis" killed 14,000 Russian speaking Ukrainians as part of their slow genocide campaign it is still obvious Russia has managed to kill many many times that many in a small fraction of the time.
Of course you have zero evidence of a genocide or ethnic cleansing. There are no areas selectively depopulated of Russian speakers and one of them has been elected president of Ukraine.
You know, back in the 90's you and I were probably both appalled that in the name of stopping genocide NATO was systematically dropping carbon fiber chaff on the Serbian power grid that would keep them in temporary blackouts for weeks at a time while inflicting little permanent damage to the Serbian infrastructure. It seemed that an outside military alliance mounting a special military operation against one side in a violent region in Europe would constitute pure aggression given that accusations of ethnic cleansing had already been levelled against all parties to the regions . Didn't you agree? NATO attacking Serbia for genocide and ethnic cleansing crimes was inexcusable!
Well, In the Balkans there were thousands of ethnically cleansed refugees from areas that were found to have been "ethnically cleansed".
Where in the hell do you find these areas of ethnically cleansed parts of Ukraine? You don't Serb. It never happened.
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