Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[PLATO]

Back in 2014 I recall saying that "Crimea should probably be Russian, but not like this." At this point it would be hard to say that any area should be ruled by Putin. Russia probably could have negotiated Crimea away from Ukraine with some heavy incentives before they took it. Now though, I fully support Ukraine retaking Crimea as well as the Donbas. Here is hoping they are capable.

[Jon Miller]

To be honest, I was sympathetic to Russia taking Crimea. And I understood the real politic of Russia's actions in the east, although I opposed them. But Russia's invasion last year was completely out of line, and not at all defensible. And I am now sympathetic to Ukraine on Crimea and Reparations, and Donbas is clear.

JM

[BlackCat]

Interesting

[Berzerker]

Are you saying neo-Nazis have the right to shoot cops and protesters to topple the democratically elected leader? Even the coup government agreed to Minsk, they were over ruled by Azov and the USA.

[BeBMan]

[Broken_Erika]

Russian propagandists moved on to threats to form a tank division formed from T-34 tanks

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1639237977854603264?

[BeBMan]

Let's see what kind of future he has after he burnt through most of the prison-recruited manpower of Wagner...but maybe he finds another source.

I haven't heard in a long time about those 30000 Syrians that were supposed to fight for Putin...

[BeBMan]

Are you saying Ukraine does not have a right to choose what alliance it wants to be part of?

[Berzerker]

correction, Washington and Nato may have rejected Russia's demand Ukraine stay out of Nato, not that Ukraine couldn't join.

[pchang]

Seems as though Prigozhn has flown too close to the sun and his wings are melting.

[PLATO]

It is completely ludicrous and totally irresponsible to see anything other than blatant aggression coupled with serious war crimes that have caused the deaths of tens of thousands of people as ANYTHING other than Russia's responsibility at this point.

TENS of THOUSANDS dead and probably HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS DEAD. This would not be the case if the Russian military had not invaded. This was not caused by anything other than a megalomaniacs desire of Empire. He has basically said as much himself.

[Berzerker]

This dates from 09Feb2022. Already it was recognized that Russia was sabotaging Minsk as a peace process. Especially note the section regarding "‘Minsk conundrum"

Your link doesn't say Russia sabotaged Minsk, they wanted to ensure Ukraine would remain neutral.

'Moscow may see Minsk II as a way to guarantee its central security demand – that Ukraine is never allowed to join NATO. Washington and NATO have already rejected that demand.'

We were telling Zelensky to lie about that, we told him to tell the world Nato membership was a possibility. Shortly before Russia attacked Kamala went over there to praise Ukraine's effort to join Nato.

In Feb '14 Sen Chris Murphy went on C-SPAN after the coup and admitted we sanctioned Ukraine and helped topple the government. We weren't passive bystanders, he was taking credit for regime change. He dismissed the possibility Russia would seize Crimea in response. Then a caller asked why we were trying to topple the democratically elected leader, Murphy said the US doesn't do that, we like democracy. But in this case Ukraine's govt lost legitimacy because it used force against violent protests when it was in fact a coup. As if all the other govts we support are beacons of civil rights, like Saudi Arabia.

Jen Psaki told the WH press corp we dont interfere in democratically elected govts. In disbelief a reporter asked how she can make that claim given our track record in Latin America. She repeated the lie and dismissed his question. These are sociopaths, they dont care when we destroy countries.

[Geronimo]

Then why did they agree to Minsk? About a 1/3rd voted for independence and a small majority voted for a Minsk-like deal

This dates from 09Feb2022. Already it was recognized that Russia was sabotaging Minsk as a peace process. Especially note the section regarding "‘Minsk conundrum"

[Dinner]

https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1638570114026029057

[PLATO]

What's next, taking T-34s from the monuments? Upgraded with those funny wire cages on turret roofs because they r e a l l y made all the difference.

Well...they did build over 84,000 T-34s. Ya never know!