Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[pchang]

All sorts of crazy coming from Russia: stray dog platoons, Russian talking heads admitting Russia could lose and threatening mutual annihilation, fast track Russian citizenship as long as you fight in Ukraine for them, senior officials banned from resigning, etc. All this seems to point to a recognition within the government that things are going badly.

[pchang]

The party out of power will try to turn anything into a political liability. So far in the US, Republicans have not succeeded.

[Geronimo]

I could be wrong, but I think that there might be some cost involved in not shooting down those thingies.

I totally agree. But the point is after the exchange which side came out ahead, not whether either side handled it in the best way.

[Geronimo]

Alas, ukraine does not have a budget as large as the US. The $5 million missile expense translates into a political liability for donors.

[pchang]

Except for the fact that the economy and military budget of the US >> Russia's.

[BlackCat]

I'm skeptical.

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/what_is_the_real_price_of_russian_missiles_about_t he_cost_of_kalibr_kh_101_and_iskander_missiles-4709.html

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I could be wrong, but I think that there might be some cost involved in not shooting down those thingies.

[PLATO]

I'm skeptical.

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/what_is_the_real_price_of_russian_missiles_about_the_cost_of_kalibr_kh_101_and_iskander_missiles-4709.html

That was a good read and a good take on where wiki gets its info from. So it is likely then that a kinzhal taking out a Patriot missile is a cost effective strategy for Russia afterall. ​​​​​​​

[Geronimo]

Nope...I am wrong. Wiki says Kinzhals cost about $10 million each. The math seems to work on these.

I'm skeptical.

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/what_is_the_real_price_of_russian_missiles_about_the_cost_of_kalibr_kh_101_and_iskander_missiles-4709.html

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[PLATO]

Nope...I am wrong. Wiki says Kinzhals cost about $10 million each. The math seems to work on these.

[PLATO]

Russian hypersonic missiles appear to be excellent at destroying Patriot missiles in flight.

Wonder what the cost of a Kinzhal is? Patriot missiles reportedly cost about $5 million each. Maybe Putin can claim a "financial" victory?

[BlackCat]

"Swiss navy", "The Expendables" ????

[pchang]

Software is easily patched

[Thoth]

Russian hypersonic missiles appear to be excellent at destroying Patriot missiles in flight.

[Geronimo]

Only an idiot or an American (which is pretty much the same) could really believe that SAM system with a radar designed to track targets at Mach 3 and equipped with missiles, which travels at 2.8 Mach at best has ANY CHANCE to track and intercept a target, which travels at MACH 10!!!

Keep eating your Kiev's sh!t, idiots!

In addition to Plato's fine reply I'd like to address your assertion that the Mach 2.8 speed of the patriot makes its interception of an object at Mach 10 impossible.

If I wanted to intercept a 600 kph bullet train with a stationary (0 kph) interceptor I could lay the interceptor on the track and be amazingly successful.

the difficulty in an interception has nothing to do with the speed of the interceptor relative to the target and everything to do with accurately placing the interceptor in the path of the target within the available time window.

The patriot system can track the kinzhal and guide the interceptor with more than enough accuracy to intercept. The only question would be can the kinzhal manoever enough to thwart the interception? Furthermore at hypersonic speeds will the kinzhal be more or less maneuverable and responsive than the much slower patriot interceptor? Russia has wanted the entire world to believe that it is. I'm not sure anybody is buying it anymore. Maybe it has something to do with the finding in the wreckage that Plato alluded to of those dishwasher parts that were found to have been MacGyvered into the missiles?

[Geronimo]

You love all kind of bullsh!t from your Kiev Bob's whore, but the fact is:

Serb...did you even watch to 2:35?