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Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia
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"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
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PLATO, I was maybe a bit short, so will elaborate a bit. UA manage to get to the Azov sea, destroy the Kersh bridge, knock out russians in the remaining areas that they occupy in the Kherson oblast, get a front line in the west of Crimea starting pounding whatever the russians have of defenses with artillery, drones etc. both destroying defenses but also bleeding out resources - kind of a Kherson II, but on a bit larger scale, so will take longer time.
The real question is if the UA can make an offensive that makes it realistic to liberate the Kherson area. Edit: that is of course not enough - they will need enough forces to make reliable defenses in the east and still have enough to advance in the west.Last edited by BlackCat; May 18, 2023, 19:38.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Originally posted by BlackCat View PostPLATO, I was maybe a bit short, so will elaborate a bit. UA manage to get to the Azov sea, destroy the Kersh bridge, knock out russians in the remaining areas that they occupy in the Kherson oblast, get a front line in the west of Crimea starting pounding whatever the russians have of defenses with artillery, drones etc. both destroying defenses but also bleeding out resources - kind of a Kherson II, but on a bit larger scale, so will take longer time.
The real question is if the UA can make an offensive that makes it realistic to liberate the Kherson area. Edit: that is of course not enough - they will need enough forces to make reliable defenses in the east and still have enough to advance in the west."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
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Originally posted by PLATO View Post
Yep...we are on the same page.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Originally posted by Berzerker View PostThe USA will force the people of Crimea and the Donbas to live under the rule of Azov
wtfWith or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Originally posted by Berzerker View PostThe USA will force the people of Crimea and the Donbas to live under the rule of Azov
wtf
By the way, what documented evil things has Azov done? What documented evil things have their enemies done?
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Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
Ah, you seem to prefer that those people live in a dictatorial rule made by putin instead of a free democracy.
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Originally posted by Geronimo View Post
It's about time. At least evil Azov has an excuse for being in Crimea.
By the way, what documented evil things has Azov done? What documented evil things have their enemies done?
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Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
I would object if the USA forced them to live under Putin, but we're not arming Putin to attack them and Ukraine is not a free democracy. How about we let them decide?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
A coup is not an excuse to kill dissidents, thats one documented evil thing. Shelling the people of the Donbas for 8 years is another. How did they respond when Azov attacked them? They asked Putin for help.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Technically I'm actually a bit wrong - the Ukrainans have actually shelled a lot of russians in the Donbas area, they all was of the type called "little green men" aka russian military units without their correct distinctions, and that certainly made them legal targets.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
Excuse me, but are you a total idiot ? Ukraine is most certainly a free democracy, especially since they kicked out the russian oligarc.
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Originally posted by BlackCat View PostTechnically I'm actually a bit wrong - the Ukrainans have actually shelled a lot of russians in the Donbas area, they all was of the type called "little green men" aka russian military units without their correct distinctions, and that certainly made them legal targets.
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Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
Then why did they support Minsk?
Why do suppose Iraq agreed to UNSC 687 and 689? It wasn't because the Saddam Hussein regime thought they were a good idea they wanted to line up behind. If there was any support of the Iraqi people for either resolution it would have been in hopes of end to the war.
The Ukrainians also hoped something, anything agreed to in the Minsk agreement would be delivered by the Russians and their Separatist puppets led by at that time by Moscow born and previously resident FSB agents who had never previously lived in the Donbas. The Ukrainians would be completely disappointed. Russia, despite demanding a seat at the table of the Minsk "negotiations" actually immediately publicly and officially declared they were bound by nothing in the agreements whatsoever. Per Minsk, the Separatists were to be disarmed and Russia was immediately discovered shipping more arms to the Separatists and never stopped.
Ukraine never supported any version of Minsk that Russia was willing to even give lip service to, let alone that Russia would actually respect.
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