Prediction Thread: When Will Russia Conquer Ukraine

[Serb]

And you Western bastards pitted us against each other.

[Geronimo]

We are one people.

I think everybody is one people. Be careful telling Ukrainians that they are the same people as Russians however, as that could piss them off. Generally, you got to let people decide for themselves where they are going to draw their arbitrary tribal bubble boundaries and there is no reasoning or arguing with it.

[Berzerker]

Biden wanted this war in Ukraine, Kamala even went there a few days before Russia attacked to praise the Ukrainian effort to join Nato

[Uncle Sparky]

I bet she and Hillary sent each other e-mails about it. WHERE ARE THE E-MAILS!!!

[BeBMan]

They should show more emails at youtube

[Geronimo]

Biden wanted this war in Ukraine, Kamala even went there a few days before Russia attacked to praise the Ukrainian effort to join Nato

So what? Maybe, Saudis wanted Bush to invade Iraq in 2003 it doesn't make them responsible for what followed.

Furthermore, how could the war possibly help them? It hasn't weakened Russia's strategic WMD weapons whatsoever and Russia's conventional weapons made no difference unless used.

Your sources (probably ultimately Russian disinformation) tell you American political interests wanted a war between Russia and Ukraine but if that is the case why the sanctions (which hurt the sanctioner as much as the sanctioned generally) and what will the windfall for the war be? Russian disinformation will claim the windfall is arms purchases for western arms companies but the problem with that is every such purchase comes at the expense of some other competing interest group and supply chain issues are throttling back such purchases anyway.

The real answer is that Western spooks have stayed busy playing the great game to favor states that think can be counted on to be friendly and disfavor those they think they can count on to oppose them. This would entail enormous signs of support for Ukraine but would not entail marching orders to pick fights the Ukrainians would lose.

Go with the narratives that are most coherent berz, not the ones that your favorite news sources stick to.

[The Mad Monk]

You are just begging to be exterminated with all your arrogance and inability to talk!

Oh look, the non-fascist wants to exterminate people. Like subhuman vermin.

[BeBMan]

You are just begging to be exterminated with all your arrogance and inability to talk!

Quoted for posterity.

[Serb]

Carve it into your forhead!

[Proteus_MST]

Alexander Dugins Daughter was killed by a car bomb that most likely was meant for her father.

She and her father went to a "cultural festival" in Dugins car.
Afterwards they were supposed to leave with the same car, but Dugin, in a last moment, decided otherwise and let his daughter drive home alone in the car.
decision that saved his life as shortly afterwards the car exploded, killing his daughter in an instant.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62621509

https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-daughter-of-vladimir-putin-ally-alexander-dugin-killed-in-car-explosion/

For all those who don't know Dugin ... he is the "father" of the ideology that Putin follows ... which strives for a great russia that conquers all russian speaking countries in order to become a counterweight to the west (which is seen as enemy).

Darya Dugina wasn't better than her father ... she followed his ideaology and also is alleged to have said in russian TV, that Ukrainians are no people and theat they all deserve to die.

https://www.vikendi.net/2022/08/21/daughter-of-putin-adviser-dugin-killed-in-moscow-car-bomb/

My assumption is, that it was an attack by disgruntled Russians (much like the sebotage actions that take place in russia and Belarus against the tracks of trains that are supposed to bring war materials to the Russian troops in Ukraine).

It reminds me a lot of the killing of Rasputin that took place just a little over 100 years ago (shortly before the whole country erupted into civil war, btw. )

[BeBMan]

Russian Hawks blame Kyiv, Ukraine is denying responsibility. If it were Ukraine indeed I think it would be a mistake, I don't see what benefit this would produce.

But there's an investigation going on in Russia so we'll find out what really happened soon. I mean, really.

At least nobody used Novichok this time it seems.

[BeBMan]

My assumption is, that it was an attack by disgruntled Russians (much like the sebotage actions that take place in russia and Belarus against the tracks of trains that are supposed to bring war materials to the Russian troops in Ukraine).

Just read there's now a claim that goes into that direction:

A former member of Russia’s Duma who was expelled for anti-Kremlin activities has claimed that Russian partisans were allegedly behind a car bomb which blew up the daughter of one of Vladimir Putin close political allies on Saturday evening on the outskirts of Moscow.

Speaking in Kyiv, where he is based, Ilya Ponomarev alleged the explosion was the work of the National Republican Army, which he claimed was an underground group working inside Russia and dedicated to overthrowing the Putin regime.

The Guardian has not verified the authenticity of Ponomarev’s claims. Russian officials have blamed Ukraine for the attack, a claim Kyiv strongly denies.

“This action, like many other partisan actions carried out on the territory of Russia in recent months, was carried out by the National Republican Army (NRA),” Ponomarev said. He was speaking in a 7pm broadcast on February Morning, a Russian-language opposition TV channel he launched in Kyiv earlier this year.

He added: “A momentous event took place near Moscow last night. This attack opens a new page in Russian resistance to Putinism. New - but not the last.”

(snipsnap)

Full article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...oscow-car-bomb

Of course nobody can verify this currently. Interestingly this org would be NRA in short

[Berzerker]

So what? Maybe, Saudis wanted Bush to invade Iraq in 2003 it doesn't make them responsible for what followed.

Furthermore, how could the war possibly help them? It hasn't weakened Russia's strategic WMD weapons whatsoever and Russia's conventional weapons made no difference unless used.

Your sources (probably ultimately Russian disinformation) tell you American political interests wanted a war between Russia and Ukraine but if that is the case why the sanctions (which hurt the sanctioner as much as the sanctioned generally) and what will the windfall for the war be? Russian disinformation will claim the windfall is arms purchases for western arms companies but the problem with that is every such purchase comes at the expense of some other competing interest group and supply chain issues are throttling back such purchases anyway.

The real answer is that Western spooks have stayed busy playing the great game to favor states that think can be counted on to be friendly and disfavor those they think they can count on to oppose them. This would entail enormous signs of support for Ukraine but would not entail marching orders to pick fights the Ukrainians would lose.

Go with the narratives that are most coherent berz, not the ones that your favorite news sources stick to.

I dont think the Saudis wanted us to invade Iraq given the prospect of Shia rule and closer ties with Iran. We talked them into that, but what if the Saudis did want us to invade Iraq and a bunch of Saudis flew planes into our buildings and we used that as our excuse?

Kamala showing up in Ukraine to preach Nato membership days before Russia invaded means we wanted Russia to attack. Privately we were telling Zelensky Nato membership was off the table but to keep that secret, we wanted Russia to think Ukraine would join Nato. Everything we did was to poke Russia long enough to get a reaction and Ukraine paid the price. Russia didn't invade on Trump's watch because he wasn't shoving Nato down Putin's throat.

The sanctions backfired, they were not meant to splinter our alliance much less damage the US economy. But what else short of boots on the ground would you expect from any US administration? US policy is to assume a Russia-Chinese alliance when push comes to shove so we're trying to weaken Russia and unite the west against China when the day arrives.

How would it be anyone's 'disinformation' to say western weapons makers are profiting from the war? A big chunk of that $54b to Ukraine actually paid for American bombs. Yes, thats money we cant spend on homelessness or health care... priorities, man.

[Geronimo]

I dont think the Saudis wanted us to invade Iraq given the prospect of Shia rule and closer ties with Iran. We talked them into that, but what if the Saudis did want us to invade Iraq and a bunch of Saudis flew planes into our buildings and we used that as our excuse?

Kamala showing up in Ukraine to preach Nato membership days before Russia invaded means we wanted Russia to attack. Privately we were telling Zelensky Nato membership was off the table but to keep that secret, we wanted Russia to think Ukraine would join Nato. Everything we did was to poke Russia long enough to get a reaction and Ukraine paid the price. Russia didn't invade on Trump's watch because he wasn't shoving Nato down Putin's throat.

The sanctions backfired, they were not meant to splinter our alliance much less damage the US economy. But what else short of boots on the ground would you expect from any US administration? US policy is to assume a Russia-Chinese alliance when push comes to shove so we're trying to weaken Russia and unite the west against China when the day arrives.

How would it be anyone's 'disinformation' to say western weapons makers are profiting from the war? A big chunk of that $54b to Ukraine actually paid for American bombs. Yes, thats money we cant spend on homelessness or health care... priorities, man.

Nothing you said explained why Western political leaders would want the war. Any war involving Russia on the other side, especially one 'fought' through sanctions and any kind of foreign aid would be bad for the party in power. You say they wanted it. If you can't explain why I'm not going to believe it.

Kamala 'inviting' Ukraine to join NATO right before the war makes perfect sense to demonstrate that the Russian demand to veto neighboring countries membership was totally unacceptable. That makes far more sense than that they hoped to provoke a war.

[Berzerker]

We've been arming a war in the Donbas for 8 years and you think we just want peace? Maybe you haven't been listening to Congress, Adam Schiff said 2 years ago we're fighting Russia in Ukraine so we dont have to fight Russia here. Sound familiar? That was the mantra for the war on terror and invading Iraq.

[-Jrabbit]

Actually, that "so we don't have to fight them here" crap goes all the way back to the Korea Conflict. Both parties use it routinely.

[BeBMan]

I'm totally impressed how Biden got Putin to attack Ukraine. Maybe Putin doesn't have anything to say in Russia after all

[EPW]

Biden is a genius

[PLATO]

We've been arming a war in the Donbas for 8 years and you think we just want peace? Maybe you haven't been listening to Congress, Adam Schiff said 2 years ago we're fighting Russia in Ukraine so we dont have to fight Russia here. Sound familiar? That was the mantra for the war on terror and invading Iraq.

If Russia had not exercised illegal aggression in the Donbas then it would have been more like 8 months instead of 8 years. Ukrainian territory is Ukrainian territory. When the Russians leave, then there will be peace.

[Berzerker]

The people of the Donbas had no moral obligation to support a Nazi massacre at Maidan that drove their leader from power

that wasn't legal... But lets ask the people of the Donbas what they want. I think they wanted Minsk, the Ukrainian right wing and the USA did not. I dont recall hearing anyone defending Saddam when he was killing Iraqis "legally". Jhc we were arming Nazis for 8 years to kill eastern Ukrainians and the US condemns the 1 guy defending the victims.

[Uncle Sparky]

You do realize you are spouting 100% BS Russian propaganda? Idiot.

[Berzerker]

cuz the US never lies