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it's hard to say - it depends on a couple of things. how much longer does russia want to go. how much longer does russia WANT to go. think about it. -
Okay then. If Russia is still taking casualties in Ukraine from 8-12 weeks time then you owe me your avatar for a month. If not then you can have mine.Originally posted by Serb View Post
All we need to determine is how to get you to accept that Russians are actually taking casualties..."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark TwainComment
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12 weeks... hmmm. i dont think russia has 12 weeks left. thats 3 months. thats a long time. even putin will find a way out.Comment
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Don't mind the cliff."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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We are taking casualities, but our casualities are not comparable to what casualities your Western mad dog takes.Originally posted by Wezil View Post
We have absolute air and fire power superiority.Comment
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But you won't be in 7 weeks? I'm giving you an extra week to finish up. Land, air, and sea superiority so it shouldn't be a problem right?Originally posted by Serb View Post
No more Russian casualties after another 8 weeks. Should be a safe bet if you believe your own rhetoric.
My only caveat is that you are still in Ukraine at that time and haven't run away like beaten dogs before then."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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If this conversation is similar to the "we nuke ya" conversation he'll go on for years claiming Russia is winning soon...
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Serb yearns for the good old days of the USSR so he clearly hasn't a clue what "winning" is.
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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Here is some nostalgia for Serb. "Back in the USSR" on Youtube, if Youtube is allowed in the Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic!Originally posted by Wezil View PostSerb yearns for the good old days of the USSR so he clearly hasn't a clue what "winning" is.
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A good deal of the stuff depicted as "under Russian control" in this day 9 map is still not under Russian control at day 30+.Originally posted by Serb View PostDay 9
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Serb, I think we can all agree that it is in the interests of every state to understate their casualties in a military operation and exaggerate enemy losses especially when there is a concern that public support is desired. I think you must also see plenty of obvious indications that the Russian government is taking extraordinary measures to protect and build up Russian support for the special military operation, such as banning criticism (even banning calling it a war or invasion), organizing huge pro-war indoor rallies with at least some mandatory attendance, and multiple lengthy state addresses from Putin himself justifying the special military operation. In light of this don't you suspect that the official Russian casualty figures from the Russian government are underestimates and the Ukrainian casualties they give are exaggerated?Originally posted by Serb View Post
Ukraine likewise has an incentive to lie about Russian casualties to try to assure would-be donators to its' war efforts that their contributions will be able to deliver results. Likewise the donating governments may be expected to exaggerate Russian casualties to deflect criticism of the decision to donate. I naturally assume their estimates of Russian casualties are exaggerated. But in this case the scale of exaggeration will have a clear point of diminishing returns where the higher Russian casualties will create opposition to further military contributions to Ukraine.
Ukrainian losses, especially as the defender, however are not so straightforward. If Ukraine wants more aid, then greater Ukrainian casualties in combination with high Russian casualties and an apparently stalled offensive might be expected to result in more military and logistical aid than low Ukrainian casualties which might otherwise threaten to convince would-be donators that their expensive contributions are unnecessary. The propaganda value of exaggerating the Ukrainian casualties or of underestimating them will be conflicted and murky.
I think we both agree that when it comes to civilian casualties, the Ukrainian sympathizers will all desire to exaggerate these while Russia will seek to minimize them, both for obvious political reasons.
Given all of these considerations which sides do you think have the greatest incentive to exaggerate and understate the facts about casualties by the largest amounts?Comment
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Who else sees the thread title as Serb fapping over the war?“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of ManComment
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