The GOP is rapidly becoming the blue collar party

[Kidlicious]

False dichotomy again.

Globalists in practice allow free movement of capital and goods, but limited movement of labor. They exploit caged workforces to profit off labor arbitrage.

I want free movement of labor along with worldwide labor (and environmental) protections. So that globalists won't be able to exploit caged labor, export pollution, and production will move to where it's most efficient in regards to resource use rather than cheapest labor.

Nationalists ironically fight to keep labor caged, thus allowing Globalists to maintain a hegemony on wealth and power.

Sure they can exploit caged labor, but they aren't. That's reality. It's because it's in their interest to move that labor where it can be exploited more elsewhere. Plus they can gain political power over their opponents..

[Kidlicious]

No, it's part of the theory. The excess caged labor force is leverage to use against any other labor worldwide which might get "uppity". That's why those in power want poverty. Leverage against labor. It would be easy to get to full employment and eliminate poverty worldwide if capital wanted to.

The other way to achieve that is for labor to unite worldwide in demanding a decent standard of living. (Ideally, guaranteed homestead.)

Nationalism has been the greatest hinderance to that sort of labor movement happening. It by definition divides humanity.

But your claim is that they are opposed to mass immigration, which is wrong according go quick observation of the situation. We have mass immigration now. The globalists are in power, and that's the policy the have implemented. You are demonizing a lot of blue-collar workers with little power and that are fighting for their nation. That is who you are opposing. But you accuse them of being divisive.

[Aeson]

We do not have open borders. The vast majority of people in the world have very limited options in what countries they can work. Your "mass immigration" is nothing like free movement of labor.

In regards to national borders, jobs have moved to cheap labor far more than labor has been able to move to modest or high paying jobs. Where labor has been able to move to jobs, in a significant % of cases (~25% in US) it has had to do so illegally or does so locked into a specific job (H1B).

The reality is capital can move much more freely than labor, giving capital a huge advantage which it has exploited endlessly. As you say, Globalists have control. They intentionally foster Nationalism and xenophobia to maintain this advantage of capital over labor, thus maintain their control.

The only real threat to their control would be a global labor movement.

[Aeson]

Sadly Globalists are winning, and appear likely to continue to win. If they do so long enough, they can replace labor with AI and automation to a large enough extent that labor movements will become eternally insignificant. At that point the rest of us are reduced to beggars, at best living off charity, but more likely just discarded by the horrible people who are leading us to that end.

[Kidlicious]

I don't think Nationalist are limiting immigration except where they have political power to do so, which is not in many places. I think many nations are overwhelmed with immigrants so they push back on letting more in. I don't think those governments are nationalist governments. I think they are globalist governments.

[Kidlicious]

Sadly Globalists are winning, and appear likely to continue to win. If they do so long enough, they can replace labor with AI and automation to a large enough extent that labor movements will become eternally insignificant. At that point the rest of us are reduced to beggars, at best living off charity, but more likely just discarded by the horrible people who are leading us to that end.

Sadly this is probably true.

[Berzerker]

Globalists in practice allow free movement of capital and goods, but limited movement of labor. They exploit caged workforces to profit off labor arbitrage.

I want free movement of labor along with worldwide labor (and environmental) protections. So that globalists won't be able to exploit caged labor, export pollution, and production will move to where it's most efficient in regards to resource use rather than cheapest labor.

Nationalists ironically fight to keep labor caged, thus allowing Globalists to maintain a hegemony on wealth and power.

But wouldn't your prescription for worldwide standards be less efficient than letting countries experiment with what is or isn't efficient? The way I see it every country will have their 'industrial revolution' in terms of lagging workers rights and protections but will get there eventually and corporations will run out of places to go. Even now a backlash is growing against China over the Uighers and slave labor. The power is in your wallet.

[Aeson]

I don't think Nationalist are limiting immigration except where they have political power to do so, which is not in many places. I think many nations are overwhelmed with immigrants so they push back on letting more in. I don't think those governments are nationalist governments. I think they are globalist governments.

Globalists have control. They foster Nationalist and xenophobic sentiment in the population to help them maintain that control. The immigration "crisis" and responses are manufactured. It's a red herring lump of labor fallacy.

They move jobs overseas or automate them while claiming immigrants took the jobs. Thus fostering support for immigration controls. This keeps illegals flowing in. Then they can fill jobs that can't be offshored or automated yet with illegal immigrants. They profit. Everyone else pays for it.

[Aeson]

But wouldn't your prescription for worldwide standards be less efficient than letting countries experiment with what is or isn't efficient? The way I see it every country will have their 'industrial revolution' in terms of lagging workers rights and protections but will get there eventually and corporations will run out of places to go. Even now a backlash is growing against China over the Uighers and slave labor. The power is in your wallet.

It's a race to the bottom. There's no good reason for half the world population still living on less than $5/day. Theres no good reason for wages to have stagnated in developed countries for decades. There's no good reason for everyone to be in debt. That's what National borders for labor but not capital have demonstrably yielded. It is a failed experiment.

Also, note the states in our Federalist system allow free movement of people. That's how the system decides what works best, by where people choose to live. On a global scale it can only work with truly open borders. And if labor chooses to stick together that would be their choice. Just as it was the choice of labor to stick together in our past that finally created a decent standard of living for the general public. Removing the choice isn't achieving the system you are advocating for, rather it is exactly opposite.

A worldwide labor movement could dictate minimum standards and thus set a floor on how horribly workers and environment can be treated. Standards of living would jump dramatically, essentially overnight, for most of the world population. Demand for goods and services would increase dramatically, increasing profits for capital as well. Environmentally friendly production methods could be adopted faster. Dirty industrialization could be skipped entirely, decreasing the overall cost of industrialization.

A worldwide consumer or investor movement could do this as well, but the rich have much more power on the consumption and investing side. They demonstrably do not care, and many of them are diametrically opposed. Most consumers are stuck buying the cheapest option as it's all they can afford, still are in debt most of their lives. Even most affluent compassionate consumers aren't given enough information to choose by. When you go to the supermarket or mall or shop on Amazon there aren't tags on the products telling you how poorly the labor and environment were treated in the supply chain. Instead we get corporate slogans, jingles, and meaningless buzzwords. No good data.

[Kidlicious]

We're going to all be debt slaved, neo-feudalism.

[Literally Wiglaf]

The GOP is a collection of terrorists and traitors.

Robust prosecutions will end that pathetic excuse for a political party.

I hope top Republicans die in prison.

[Thoth]

The GOP is a collection of terrorists and traitors.

Robust prosecutions will end that pathetic excuse for a political party.

I hope top Republicans die in prison.

Agreed.

Also:
The Democratic Party is a collection of terrorists and traitors.

Robust prosecutions will end that pathetic excuse for a political party.

I hope top Democrats die in prison.