The GOP is rapidly becoming the blue collar party

[Aeson]

All the globalists are anti-racist because that's how they promote mass migration, which destroys nations. If they destroy America it's game set match.

If you're anti-globalist, which you posture as, then why are you anti-nationalist. Makes no sense. Globalists destroy nations, even third world nations.

That is the false dichotomy the owner class wants to fool you with. They want you to think the only other option to THEIR form of globalism, trade, and immigration is nationalism, xenophobia, and protectionism. This way they can turn the working class on itself.

To do this they promote negative views of immigrants while keeping poor nations poor and unstable to ensure a flood of refugees and immigrants. They want the strife.

The solution is a global movement to no longer divide ourselves by nation, ethnicity, or race. If the 7.5billionish poor and middle class stand together there would be no more poor and the handful of rich *******s who intentionally cause all the problems in the world become powerless. Then we can have peace and prosperity for everyone.

[Kidlicious]

That is the false dichotomy the owner class wants to fool you with. They want you to think the only other option to THEIR form of globalism, trade, and immigration is nationalism, xenophobia, and protectionism. This way they can turn the working class on itself.

To do this they promote negative views of immigrants while keeping poor nations poor and unstable to ensure a flood of refugees and immigrants. They want the strife.

The solution is a global movement to no longer divide ourselves by nation, ethnicity, or race. If the 7.5billionish poor and middle class stand together there would be no more poor and the handful of rich *******s who intentionally cause all the problems in the world become powerless. Then we can have peace and prosperity for everyone.

We do have a global movement. It's called nationalism. We need to unite under that banner, because that's how we win. I want to unite with everyone against the globalists, but no one can be against nations. Mass immigration is in the interest of the globalists. They are the one's pushing it because it causes division in nations and demoralizes all the people of the world. That's why people don't care about community anymore. They only care about material things and get mad at what they tell them to get made at.

You are right that we need less division, but mass immigration is the tool that they use to cause division.

[Aeson]

Nationalism is by definition divisive. National borders and immigration restrictions based on them are far and away the biggest hindrance to labor mobility. They allow the owner class to play one caged population against another. If the workers get uppity they'll move the jobs across the border. Nationalism makes this possible.

Nationalism is why you see pop+1 differently if it's [other nationality] than pop+1 if it's a natural born citizen. In reality they have the same effect. Pop+1.

[-Jrabbit]

BTW, let me just say that the title of this thread is frickin' hilarious. As is this "we are friends of the blue collar" re-branding by the GOP.
No surprise that Kid would couldn't wait to trot it out.

Carry on.

[Kidlicious]

Nationalism is by definition divisive. National borders and immigration restrictions based on them are far and away the biggest hindrance to labor mobility. They allow the owner class to play one caged population against another. If the workers get uppity they'll move the jobs across the border. Nationalism makes this possible.

Nationalism is why you see pop+1 differently if it's [other nationality] than pop+1 if it's a natural born citizen. In reality they have the same effect. Pop+1.

No it isn't divisive by definition. Nationalists share a common ideology just like every one else.

Labor competes with labor no matter what.. You can't stop competition completely, and the owners of capital will always be able to take advantage of competition. But some jobs can't be done in other countries and you can punish companies to some extent for moving operations. You just can't push on the rope so to speak.

[Kidlicious]

BTW, let me just say that the title of this thread is frickin' hilarious. As is this "we are friends of the blue collar" re-branding by the GOP.
No surprise that Kid would couldn't wait to trot it out.

Carry on.

It's not just rebranding. It's a revolution of the GOP. It's happening.

[Kidlicious]

It's a myth that globalists are "caging" workers to make them compete against each other. Just the opposite it true. That's what I'm trying to say. Actually I wouldn't even call it a myth. It's propaganda. They can pay less in wages when they can move labor around where they need it. It's actual competition. And worse they weaken political opposition to their power.

[Kidlicious]

The politics is much more important than the economics, because we need political opposition to the globalists. Mass immigration gives the globalists political power. But immigration increases competition between workers, not the opposite. As a worker in my country I'm in greater competition with other workers in my own country than I am in competition with workers in other countries. It's that simple. Xenophobia is a scary sounding word, but it's a simple matter of not wanting your market to get flooded.

[Aeson]

No it isn't divisive by definition. Nationalists share a common ideology just like every one else.

Labor competes with labor no matter what.. You can't stop competition completely, and the owners of capital will always be able to take advantage of competition. But some jobs can't be done in other countries and you can punish companies to some extent for moving operations. You just can't push on the rope so to speak.

The whole point of Nationalism is to divide humans into national groups and keep those groups separated by national borders. Divisive.

Immigrants (and naturally born citizens) increase supply of labor, but also increase demand for goods and services (thus labor). There is also economies of scale at work. The net economic effect on average is beneficial.

[Aeson]

It's a myth that globalists are "caging" workers to make them compete against each other. Just the opposite it true. That's what I'm trying to say. Actually I wouldn't even call it a myth. It's propaganda. They can pay less in wages when they can move labor around where they need it. It's actual competition. And worse they weaken political opposition to their power.

Even illegal immigrants in the US cost employers much more than labor in developing countries. Legal immigrants cost even more. Thus employers want to limit legal immigration and maximize illegal immigration. They want to move as many jobs as they can overseas and/or automate them.

You're much better off competing for a job against a legal immigrant than an illegal, and even better off still than competing against someone working in a developing nation.

[BeBMan]

No it isn't divisive by definition. Nationalists share a common ideology just like every one else.

[Kidlicious]

The whole point of Nationalism is to divide humans into national groups and keep those groups separated by national borders. Divisive.

That's a caricature. The purpose of nationalism is to build national identity and in doing so make the nation powerful, as opposed to global powers. Are you opposed to that?? If so then you are a globalist.

Immigrants (and naturally born citizens) increase supply of labor, but also increase demand for goods and services (thus labor). There is also economies of scale at work. The net economic effect on average is beneficial.

Not when there are 10m unemployed people in your country.

[Kidlicious]

Even illegal immigrants in the US cost employers much more than labor in developing countries. Legal immigrants cost even more. Thus employers want to limit legal immigration and maximize illegal immigration. They want to move as many jobs as they can overseas and/or automate them.

You're much better off competing for a job against a legal immigrant than an illegal, and even better off still than competing against someone working in a developing nation.

There's a surplus of workers in those countries. So your theory fails.

[Aeson]

There's a surplus of workers in those countries. So your theory fails.

No, it's part of the theory. The excess caged labor force is leverage to use against any other labor worldwide which might get "uppity". That's why those in power want poverty. Leverage against labor. It would be easy to get to full employment and eliminate poverty worldwide if capital wanted to.

The other way to achieve that is for labor to unite worldwide in demanding a decent standard of living. (Ideally, guaranteed homestead.)

Nationalism has been the greatest hinderance to that sort of labor movement happening. It by definition divides humanity.

[Aeson]

That's a caricature. The purpose of nationalism is to build national identity and in doing so make the nation powerful, as opposed to global powers. Are you opposed to that?? If so then you are a globalist.

False dichotomy again.

Globalists in practice allow free movement of capital and goods, but limited movement of labor. They exploit caged workforces to profit off labor arbitrage.

I want free movement of labor along with worldwide labor (and environmental) protections. So that globalists won't be able to exploit caged labor, export pollution, and production will move to where it's most efficient in regards to resource use rather than cheapest labor.

Nationalists ironically fight to keep labor caged, thus allowing Globalists to maintain a hegemony on wealth and power.