The GOP is rapidly becoming the blue collar party

[Dinner]

Indeed he did, the whole farm workers movement was built upon restricting outside labor supply and forcing landowners to agree to the union's terms. Not that Danny knew that or would even care. According to him if you aren't for open borders and actually care about the American working class (of all races) why then, of course, you are some how a "racist". Oh, well, simple thinking for simple minds without a care to real world consequences for regular working people, I guess.

[giblets]

There's 10 million unemployed people in the US.

That's not what recession means

[Dinner]

That is what the current unemployment figures say. There is also a worrying number of working age people who are no longer participating in the labor force.

[Egbert]

I don't scream at my screen, dude. Don't get overly excited on your ability to get me worked up over something that somebody typed on the internet.

But please, show me where I said you needed to import unskilled workers.

Calm down.

You appear to be suggesting that blue collar working have sufficient educational advantages over migrants to avoid direct competition for jobs.

I am stating that there is a lot of competition for unskilled jobs between unskilled migrants and unskilled locals.

[Aeson]

Labor (and everyone in the long term) is much better off if the worker comes to the US legally to work at a farm picking veggies for minimum wage than if they come illegally and work for $4/hr or the farm goes to some other country and pays $3/day.

Turning off immigration only results in caged workforces ripe for exploitation by globalists, increased illegal immigration, and increased automation. Sadly the working class has been duped by the owner class into voting for the demise of living wages, worplace safety, human decency, and environmental protections.

Racism and Nationalism are part of why the owner class has been able to turn the working class on itself to accomplish that. (And of course that's why the rich on the left and the right foster both.)

[Aeson]

Adding population is a good thing economically. We should be more welcoming of migrants who are willing to be law abiding and work. Our immigration policy though is designed to ensure a vast number of illegals who can't be vetted and can be freely exploited by the owner class. To ensure there are billions to be made bringing illegals in. (Exactly like our drug policy.) Because for most willing immigrants there is no viable legal route even without the illegals in the queue.

The solution to the problems of tightening immigration restrictions is not further tightening the immigration restrictions.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

...I love it when Aeson chips in on labor politics...

[BeBMan]

I don't care about collar color, but it will be interesting to see if the GOP moves back towards sanity or rather sees its future on the side of the space laser/pizzeria nutjobs.

[Kidlicious]

Labor (and everyone in the long term) is much better off if the worker comes to the US legally to work at a farm picking veggies for minimum wage than if they come illegally and work for $4/hr or the farm goes to some other country and pays $3/day.

Turning off immigration only results in caged workforces ripe for exploitation by globalists, increased illegal immigration, and increased automation. Sadly the working class has been duped by the owner class into voting for the demise of living wages, worplace safety, human decency, and environmental protections.

Racism and Nationalism are part of why the owner class has been able to turn the working class on itself to accomplish that. (And of course that's why the rich on the left and the right foster both.)

All the globalists are anti-racist because that's how they promote mass migration, which destroys nations. If they destroy America it's game set match.

If you're anti-globalist, which you posture as, then why are you anti-nationalist. Makes no sense. Globalists destroy nations, even third world nations.

[Kidlicious]

That's not what recession means

No, but it means there are 10m unemployed.

[Kidlicious]

One point some people seem to be ignoring... Many of our less educated unskilled workers in this country will NOT do many of the jobs that are available. Most of them won't do janitorial work, agriculture work, and other such jobs. For those, most companies must depend on immigrants to fill those positions. They are NOT competing with many of the locals for these types of jobs.

Do you think they are just not going to hire janitors? If course people will take those jobs, when they pay more.

[Dinner]

I don't care about collar color, but it will be interesting to see if the GOP moves back towards sanity or rather sees its future on the side of the space laser/pizzeria nutjobs.

There is where you go wrong. At most 1%, and that is probably a vast over statement, ever believed any of those conspiracies yet lying propaganda peddlers used an old propaganda technique to fool people like you. You take the most extreme fringe from one side then lie and pretend that some how widely represents or is some how representing of anyone and everyone not on "your side". It is amazing how many other wise intelligent people stupidly fall for this nonsense.

Fox used to love to have on some whacked out nutjob from the "American Communist Party" who would spout the most ridiculous nonsense. Then Fox would claim that guy represented the left and that therefore all democrats thought the same as he did. It is and was all nonsense and yet so many people are lazy and just go with it when they really should know better. I mean look at the delusional fools here on poly babbling about secret norse ruins with ties to Nazism when obviously it was just a stage. Sheer nonsense from people who should know better but who have steep themselves into conspiracy nonsense until they become delusional.

[Jon Miller]

Two questions for such members of the GOP or who might consider supporting the GOP in the future.

1) Did Biden when the election that took place in November 3, 2020?

2) Was Trump's actions between December 8 and January 8 in any way acceptable for any person who is President or should be considered as a candidate for President at any point in time in the future?

I will guarantee that more than 1% of the GOP chooses the insane answers for these two questions.

JM

[Jon Miller]

I would guess that over 50% of members of the GOP choose the insane answers for at a least one of those two questions.

JM

[Kidlicious]

I would guess that over 50% of members of the GOP choose the insane answers for at a least one of those two questions.

JM

Neither answer is insane. Believing that the US was founded in 1619 is insane.