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[BeBMan]

If you think Jan 6 was worse, lets ask the black lives who lost jobs because Walgreens and Walmart just to name a couple are gone. Lets ask the old timers who needed those stores to get their food and medication. Jan 6 was a blip on the radar, last years riots ruined innumerable lives, black lives... BLM ghettos. If we want businesses to go back in the local taxpayers will have to underwrite the risk because I cant imagine banks and insurance companies doing it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/15/mark...iden-book.html

“They may try, but they’re not going to f------ succeed,” Milley said of a possible government takeover in conversation with his closest deputies, according to the book.

“You can’t do this without the military. You can’t do this without the CIA and the FBI. We’re the guys with the guns,” he said.

The general, having listened to Trump spread an array of baseless conspiracy theories and false claims of fraud throughout the final weeks of his term, had drawn parallels with the rise of nazism in 20th century Germany, the book said.

“This is a Reichstag moment,” Milley told aides in early January, according to the book. “The gospel of the Fuhrer.”

(...)

Leonnig and Rucker describe Milley as being shaken after a Nov. 10 phone call with an old friend, who warned him, “What they’re trying to do here is overturn the government.”

“This is all real, man. You are one of the few guys who are standing between us and some really bad stuff,” the friend told Milley, who later shared the exchange with his aides, the book says.

Milley then reached out to former Gen. H.R. McMaster, Trump’s national security advisor from 2017 to 2018. “What the f--- am I dealing with?” Milley asked, according to the book.

“You’re dealing with some of the weirdest s--- ever,” McMaster reportedly replied.

Seems the guy in the Pentagon found it serious enough to evoke comparisons to 1930ies Germany. But hey, he' just a general, what would he know 'bout violence and stuff, as opposed to a stable genius like Trump.

[Dinner]

And yet it is at least 100 times what the 1/6th riot caused and you claim that is so important and lie claiming it was something other than a riot by a few stupid people. I guess it is ok to riot, loot, and burn as long as you are left wing, dunce.

[Uncle Sparky]

Since certain posters are invisible to me, I'm not sure what you are responding to; however, I would like to see a lot less money for police attack helicopters, armored personnel carriers, and mechanical infantry, and see that money go to poverty relief programs, social workers, education, and mental (and in the states general) health care workers.
I know the American capitalist system needs a slave, or slave wage, working class to function. However, if they are educated, and have easy access to firepower, the system is untenable no matter which of the two center right parties are governing.
Both parties have done everything they can to dismantle unions, but forget collective bargaining became the accepted compromise to shooting underperforming workers who in turn would occasionally kill the factory owners in front of their families.

[giblets]

2 billion? That's 1/10000 of the USA's GDP. Clearly, we need to overhaul the legal system to give the police and district attorneys more power.

[-Jrabbit]

Oh, but it is. According to Russian writer, chess grandmaster and political activist Garry Kasparov, "whataboutism" is a word that was coined to describe the frequent use of a rhetorical diversion by Soviet apologists and dictators, who would counter charges of their oppression, massacres, gulags, and forced deportations by invoking American slavery, racism, lynchings, etc. - without directly refuting or disproving the argument under discussion.

When the discussion is about Jan6 and your reply is "what about the George Floyd riots," that is, in fact, pure whataboutism - a transparent attempt to change the topic. It is totally irrelevant to a discussion of the attempt at overturning election results.

[Dinner]

Comparing damages from riots is not whataboutism. It is relevant data for comparing how bad certain riots are compared to other. I understand you dislike these truths but they are still true and relevant as they are the same topic.

[Dinner]

Do you have an estimate of the total property damage caused by the 2000 highly destructive rioters?

We know that the insurance claims liability was $2 billion as of May of last year (so only about half the riots). Of course, that does not include damages for anyone not insured or under insured in excess of their insured amount. Thus the real costs are going to be much, much, much higher.

[SlowwHand]

My grandfather told me that all bankers, lawyers and morticians need to burn in Hell.
All these decades later, I understand.

[-Jrabbit]

Dude, you are still comparing them. It's whataboutism at its finest -- changing the discussion to avoid addressing the actual issues at hand.
Kid would be so proud.

[Berzerker]

eh, I'm sure we already have a national program for bribing businesses to set up shop in impoverished communities

we should send the bill to BLM

[Uncle Sparky]

Banks and insurance companies are criminal cabals anyway. They should be burnt to the ground.

[Berzerker]

Trying to justify January 6th's confirmed attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election results by comparing that with the George Floyd protests is simply pathetic.

I'm not justifying anything, your accusation would mean I was also justifying the Floyd riots too and I would never do that. The only comparison I made was between 2 groups of people vandalizing govt property, many BLM/Antifa riots went far beyond Jan 6 with the destruction of neighborhood businesses and services locals depend on. If you want a comparison, the MAGA rioters would have to run around Wash DC destroying the economic and tax bases of already poor neighborhoods.

If you think Jan 6 was worse, lets ask the black lives who lost jobs because Walgreens and Walmart just to name a couple are gone. Lets ask the old timers who needed those stores to get their food and medication. Jan 6 was a blip on the radar, last years riots ruined innumerable lives, black lives... BLM ghettos. If we want businesses to go back in the local taxpayers will have to underwrite the risk because I cant imagine banks and insurance companies doing it.

[giblets]

Do you have an estimate of the total property damage caused by the 2000 highly destructive rioters?

[-Jrabbit]

Trying to justify January 6th's confirmed attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election results by comparing that with the George Floyd protests is simply pathetic.

[Dinner]

I agree the Jan 6th riot was a big deal. It was a big deal because law enforcement failed to stop a couple hundred idiot rioters even though thousands upon thousands of protesters were entirely peaceful. That was not remotely an "insurrection" nor was there ever any remote possibility of the government getting over thrown by a few unarmed fools. Frankly, we need stronger laws against rioters as we have had over 2000 highly destructive rioters, all but one by left wing militants, and we need a better law enforcement response to that.

But the hyper partisans will keep spinning their fairy tales and ignoring reality just like they always do.