In Other News

[BeBMan]

In other other news the question is, if - after the resignation of Andrew Cuomo from his gov post - Prince Andrew will also resign from being prince

[Egbert]

I thought Floyd had been subdued as I do not see how one could put a knee on the neck of somebody who had not been subdued. I also imagine that the procedure would be to take him to the station, toss him in the cells to cool down and charge him with resisting arrest and failure to comply with lawful directions from police. I accept that the courts presumably found good reason to convict Chauvin of murder and that excessive force was used.

My view is that although Floyd was a bad person he ought not to have been killed. Surely if the police had handcuffed him they could get him to the station and into the cells alive.

[Uncle Sparky]

I didn't know Chauvin was on drugs at the time.... and the other cops at the murder didn't allow any of the witnesses to try to subdue the violent criminal. And technically, Chauvin had never been convicted prior to Floyd's murder, so while he had a long record of violence, wasn't a criminal at the time.

[SlowwHand]

Another violent criminal on drugs that couldn't be subdued.

[Egbert]

There seems no doubt that Floyd was a criminal and he was known to local police and very unfavourably known. There seems nothing exemplary about him. He was just another criminal and should be regarded as such. That said his criminal career does not justify his death and I believe the officer was convicted meaning killing the criminal was not justified in the circumstances. It boggles my mind that Floyd gets any favourable publicity. His death seems that tiny spark that lit a conflagration and I imagine there was a conflagration waiting to happen for reasons entirely unrelated to Floyd and his career as a criminal.

Perhaps US police do not get much training in dealing with difficult situations and also so many people are carrying guns it may make officers nervous? I say this because US police seem to kill an awful lot of people.

[Uncle Sparky]

The quickest way to deescalate a situation is to kill the person being an ass.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

The cop's position is in prison.

[Uncle Sparky]

Half the posters here are asses. None of them should be killed by a bad cop. Anyone to defend his murderer is "past ignorant and have ventured into the land of stupid.".

[SlowwHand]

You be in the cops position and tell me.

[giblets]

So, he deserved it?

[SlowwHand]

George Floyd was habitually an ass. If someone wants to make him their cause, they're past ignorant and have ventured into the land of stupid.

[-Jrabbit]

The George Floyd protests were a heartfelt, emotional reaction against systemic racism and police brutality - both things that are against the principles set forth in our founding documents (as amended).

The Jan6 insurrection (with many participants being similarly heartfelt and emotional) was about the outgoing administration denying the legal, legitimate transfer of power to the winning party in the 2020 Presidential election - something that is in direct opposition to the principles on which our democracy is based.

One was a natural, outraged reaction to the public murder, for no reason, of a black suspect by a white cop, demanding justice and equality.
The other was a coordinated attempt by those in power to illegally deny the rightful outcome of the election.

They are in no way comparable on any level.

[-Jrabbit]

So, just to be clear: Dinner evaluates civil unrest by comparing insurance dollars, and is fine with attacking the US Capitol, disrupting the smooth transfer of power, and destroying democracy in the process.

[BeBMan]

Great effort to avoid the point. "Both groups" didn't try to overturn a free and fair election because the sitting pres didn't like the outcome. "Both groups" also didn't want to hang Mike Pence, for that matter.

[Berzerker]

Whataboutism is what Jesus did to the Pharisees when he asked if they were sinless. What about you, was his point. So if BLM and Antifa make riots fashionable they cant complain about a MAGA riot, especially one that targeted the government. That applies to all the people who defended, condoned, or enabled last year's riots and there were plenty of Democrats who did that, apparently even our VP bailed rioters out of jail. Pelosi said people will do what people do in response to riots but now she's outraged. I think Jesus would be asking her about double standards. Maybe she should have committed the resources at her disposal to preventing a riot, it looks almost like she was inviting them in.

If this is about justice, treat both groups of rioters by the same standard. So far the courts have handed out sentences I'd expect for rioters vandalizing govt property, not insurrectionists storming the capital in a coup. So if Milley wants to compare this to Nazi Germany, how did he feel about months of pre-election riots designed to win the WH last year? Now the Democrats who were caught conspiring with BLM to coordinate protests across the country if Trump won want to talk about insurrection?