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Kasich is going to speak at the DNC in August at the invitation of Biden. He was a 2016 Republican candidate and began compassionate conservatism (which many Americans, including I, found attractive and was partially responsible for the election of Bush in 2000).
I think it is clear to say that the Democratic tent in 2020 is very large. That isn't to say that there are not various currents and that there will not be division (and probably a smaller tent) in the next decade (maybe even by 2024). But right now, as long as you are not a white supremacist or right-wing fascist, the part of Biden embraces you.
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Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostI don't think that getting rid of Trump will solve the problem.
However, I think it is a necessary step to solving the problem.
Both houses may go blue, but Biden will win before the Senate goes blue. If the Senate goes blue, there will still be conservative Democrats on it (this is something that I have had to repeatedly point out to some people in RL who are independents who lean R/L. Just because Republicans that appear respectable like Sasse have mostly supported Trump doesn't mean that Democrats will be the same and there have been some Republicans who have stayed respectable (McCain/Romney). Additionally, there have been far more moderate/conservatve Democrats then moderate Republicans because the Democrats didn't have the tea party/etc to 'purify' their ranks for a decade. Maybe the Democrats will start their 'purifying' process now, but it will take a decade for them to get as bad as the Republicans are now and we can take steps to keep that from happening.
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But not to the extant of Republicans.
Look at 2018 score
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Yes, may of the Democrats are out due to having the election of 2018 taken by Republicans. But many are still in. And for Democrats to take the Senate they will have to win elections in conservative states and so the Democrats elected will be moderate (like Doug) or conservative (like Joe). Not liberal (or radical liberal).
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Joe, Jon, Angus, Doug, Mark and Gary? Joe is a conservative and even votes with Trump sometimes https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...e-manchin-iii/ .
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Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostBut not to the extant of Republicans.
Look at 2018 score
(my post on this is waiting approval for some reason)
Yes, may of the Democrats are out due to having the election of 2018 taken by Republicans. But many are still in. And for Democrats to take the Senate they will have to win elections in conservative states and so the Democrats elected will be moderate (like Doug) or conservative (like Joe). Not liberal (or radical liberal).
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Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostJoe, Jon, Angus, Doug, Mark and Gary? Joe is a conservative and even votes with Trump sometimes https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...e-manchin-iii/ .
JMI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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He is a democrat (only Susan is ranked more liberal than him among Republicans). But he is moderate (score of 40-60) instead of liberal.
In 2016-2018 there was 3 conservative Democrats and no liberal Republicans. Additionally, there were 2 Republicans who were moderates (Lisa and Susan) and 9 Democrats who were moderates.
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Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostI don't understand why you are more concerned about non-state terrorism then state terrorism. I don't understand why you don't see the difference between the state making things worse and the state trying to make things better.
There were issues in the last two decades during the Bush and Obama years, but things have been a lot worse during the Trump years. This is because he needs to push those clouds (and to separate them). Biden, in particular, is preaching reconciliation. Maybe he can't do it; maybe his bandaid won't work (like Obama's didn't really work). But we need a break from the State pushing division and harming people or we will get Civil War or a Fascist State.
You are concerned that Biden might be hijacked by people who might act as bad as Trump but for the other side, but the alternative to Biden is Trump!
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Also, again, no, I don't worry that "the other side" will act as bad as Trump. Trump is a remarkable, singular phenomenon. In the example given, they did a single really stupid thing and it all unwound from there. I can see other ways of unwinding, but in general they don't involve a dictatorial Left. The American Left is and would be, contra Kid, really quite bad at true authoritarianism, because it doesn't cohere for anything and has an aggressively anti-military culture. It's very good at soft power, and a lot of leftists I know seem to fail to appreciate the limits of soft power, and to take legitimacy for granted, in much the same way that idiot generals assume mere firepower can win wars. In the unlikely event that they're mad enough to start a fight for real, the Right will finish it. Both the process and the aftermath will be ugly, and the country will be much weaker and poorer when it ends.
Biden will not conciliate anybody. He was only selected over an extremist because defeating Trump was seen as an absolute priority. He has nothing remotely resembling Obama's charisma. He will preside over continuing decay, and we will wait and see what the GOP (EDIT: and the country) looks like in 2024.Last edited by Elok; July 21, 2020, 17:01.
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Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostHe is a democrat (only Susan is ranked more liberal than him among Republicans). But he is moderate (score of 40-60) instead of liberal.
In 2016-2018 there was 3 conservative Democrats and no liberal Republicans. Additionally, there were 2 Republicans who were moderates (Lisa and Susan) and 9 Democrats who were moderates.
JMI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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I should add that, while I'm temperamentally predisposed to pessimism, there's a certain amount of opportunity baked into this crisis. Trump finally dealt a deathblow to Reaganism. That's a good thing, because Reaganism was an abomination and doomed anyway, but now his attempted replacement has pretty well failed and it's hard to say what will replace it. It could be something actually interesting that has something to offer America. Parties have realigned radically before. I don't know how long it will take for the GOP to reinvent itself, or what could encourage it to develop into something healthy. It's going to be something rural, and it can't hope to win on just Trump's base over the long term. Anyway, there is hope in the gloom.
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Originally posted by Kidicious View PostDefunding the police is a local issue btw. The question is would Biden use federal police like Trump is doing.
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If Biden tried to use the Federal police like Trump is doing, the NRA and 'real Americans' would shoot them... I wonder why we aren't hearing from our pro-gun American posters, who seem to like the Second Amendment, but also seem to have no problem with heavily armed Federal police rounding up unarmed Americans at gunpoint, and without charges.
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Exactly, NRA talks all this nonsense about defending the Constitution but when it comes to put up or shut up, they disappear
Did everybody already forget how the Russians compromised the NRA?
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