Trump's Death Cult Explained

[Arrian]

In Korea and Taiwan the kids all wear masks and they have shields all around their desks.

However, their entire societal response is much more disciplined where everyone is wearing masks, all the time, without all this ignorant drama about rights.

I've heard it said by American school board decision makers that children are getting the virus at low rates (dumb thinking) so the risk of them getting infected is low.

EVEN if that were true, they can pick up the virus and spread it when they get home, like wildfire to the rest of society.

I think distance learning should be given another shot, I don't accept the narrative that it just doesn't work.

When something doesn't work, doesn't mean it won't ever work, it just means we need to learn what all the challenges were and address those.

This distance learning took place when none of the schools were setup for it, so they had to scramble at the last minute to even get it up. A more thoughtful approach could easily be successful.

I think also a lot of the resistance to distance learning is it's just driving parents crazy who don't want their kids home all day with no break, especially while trying to work.

Yeah, I can speak to that last bit. I have 2 kids, and I have them half the week. I'm working from home. Even if it's not especially busy, I cannot give them the attention they actually need, and they end up kind of doing whatever. And they're pretty good! Maybe it can be improved and work better. I'm skeptical, but at the same time I recognize that reopening in person learning may not be viable and I'd rather have the so-so at best distance learning that in-person that leads to disaster.

I have two close friends in education - one is a middle school teacher, the other a college professor. They're both trying to figure it out, and there are no easy answers. ETA: I have several other friends, actually, who are teachers, I just haven't talked to them about this as much. But they're all scrambling.

Also: w/r/t spread, it's not just the kids bringing it home. It's the teachers & other staff! I watch this and I'm like... does no one remember what it's like when your kids go back to school each year and everybody gets whatever bugs are going around? Granted, we'll have precautions in place this time and that's all to the good. But I worry, and I think for good reason.

[Uncle Sparky]

♪♪ O-o-o-o-Oklahoma Grosvenor has COVID-19 ♪♪

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-363951

61,834 new cases in the USA today!

[Kidlicious]

They've just screwed the whole thing up like nothing I've ever seen. It's amazing to see so many people keep having faith in such seemingly incompetent people.

[Arrian]

It's hard to think of anything more damning of the American system than the fact that it resulted in this (and by that I mean not just Manhattan Mugabe, but his enablers).

[giblets]

You can't teach people who reject learning.

[KrazyHorse]

Yes, instead of reasoning things out for yourself, please place your faith in the "experts" who were blithely presenting fatality curves assuming a 3.5% fatality rate a month ago.

They don't know **** on this one. Their projections have been wrong, wrong, wrong, and their policy suggestions fail to reason beyond the next move.

No idea how to reply to arrian's comment, so quoting instead

Yes, it did (hold up well, that is)

Lockdowns did absolutely nothing other than delay the inevitable. Infection rates are higher than ever outside the tri-state area, where there is a good chance that herd immunity may have already started to cut into transmissibility (when you include for example cross resistance from other coronaviruses)

Death rates among the newly infected have plummeted as the age profile of the infected dropped..

The epidemiologists' models have not managed to beat the predictive value ovaa trailing 7 day infection rate - there are now multiple academic papers pointing this out. The scale of scientific malpractice here is breathtaking.

[Ted Striker]

Somehow you missed all the other countries who have successfully gotten the virus under control by implementing social distancing successfully, which leads to better long term economic resilience.

Why do you care anyway? Stocks are at record highs so your dumbass city isn't affected.

Maybe the plebs who actually do real work for a living by doing things like taking out trash, but they never counted to you as a real person anyway.

[Kidlicious]

99.96% of the plebs just want the economy reopened. They want their jobs back. And those that don't are Democrats.

[Uncle Sparky]

Hi Krazy.

We had an almost complete lockdown in my home province of Manitoba, Canada (a bit under 1,5 million) To date, we've had 331 confirmed cases, 6 are currently 'active', currently 0 hospitalized, and 7 deaths (the latest one was early May). We are reopening, but slowly (too slowly for many influenced by American media and politicians).

North Dakota, an American state we border on, had about half our population. They have a proudly pro-Trump state government, and rejected the idea of silly things like science and safety. They have had 4,672 cases (including 72 new cases yesterday) with 93 deaths. I'm unsure how many active cases they currently have, but would guess more than 72. Currently, only essential travel is allowed across the border. I really hope it stays that way, possibly until next year or until adults are running the US government.

[-Jrabbit]

Excellent real-world example.

[ZEE]

I completely agree with Kidicious.

[Egbert]

I completely agree with Kidicious.

Kidicious has returned.

[Uncle Sparky]

Gee... I haven't read a Kid post in, well, a very long time.

[Kidlicious]

He's building a big beautiful wall around my posts.

[Berzerker]

Hi Krazy.

We had an almost complete lockdown in my home province of Manitoba, Canada (a bit under 1,5 million) To date, we've had 331 confirmed cases, 6 are currently 'active', currently 0 hospitalized, and 7 deaths (the latest one was early May). We are reopening, but slowly (too slowly for many influenced by American media and politicians).

what did you guys do to lockdown?

[Uncle Sparky]

https://www.gov.mb.ca/covid19/soe.html

[Kidlicious]

Uncle Sparky thinks American Media is telling people to fight the lockdown.

[Ted Striker]

I guess you could say, the leadership is doing it too:

"Georgia’s Republican governor, Brian Kemp, is filing a lawsuit against Atlanta’s Democratic mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms over her coronavirus response. The lawsuit seeks to block Bottoms from enforcing a citywide mask mandate requiring people to wear face masks in public and challenges the mayor’s decision to return to “phase one” of the city’s reopening plan as cases surged."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/jul/16/coronavirus-us-covid-donald-trump-anthony-fauci-joe-biden-live-updates

[Kidlicious]

What's "right wing media?" That's not what he said. He said American media.

And I'm against mandatory mask laws. No healthy people should be forced to wear a mask. That's fascist.

[Ted Striker]

He's a smart guy, he knows the difference, better than most Americans. Nice side-channel troll attempt though.

[Uncle Sparky]

what did you guys do to lockdown?

See post below.

[Berzerker]

are seat belt laws fascist?

[Kidlicious]

How are they not?

Ted Striker thinks they help until he gets pulled over by the police and given a ticket.

[Kidlicious]

I see the mask issue as a function of cancel culture rather than that of individuals worried about spreading the virus. In cancel culture rules are created to cancel individuals. Not all individuals that break these rules are canceled. Some people are privileged, and others are targets. You can see this clearly by the way the media and Democrats treat both the BLM and lockdown protests. The BLM protesters are lauded as heroic and the lockdown protesters were condemned as all kinds of bad things, even white supremacists. That's the language of social justice.

So that's why I think it's fascistic. The seatbelt issue is a bit different because we didn't live in cancel culture then. But I would say it's just a different kind of fascism.

[Berzerker]

So what was the motive for seat belt laws if it wasn't 'cancel culture'?

Public safety

The Constitution allows the government increased power in times of crisis, including the suspension of Habeas Corpus. Masks and social distancing are clearly means of slowing the spread of disease, not some fascist plot to destroy individuality.

As for the media, they're hypocrites... Partisans attacking the other side while defending their own aint nothing new. That doesn't mean the bug and masks aren't the reality, it just means human lives matter only when they provide a political advantage.

[giblets]

No one should be forced to wear pants. Fascism!