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  • I read Fox is great with reopening the country but will continue work from home practice itself....
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    • Yes, but even with the hypocrisy on full display, their base cannot see it.

      Also, Trump now claims churches are an "essential business." If that is true, I demand they pay taxes.
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      • There is no profit or sales to be taxed, really. There is property taxes...

        If you want to pull money from the churches (other than churches that own property but don't really have money, which is probably mostly the Catholic Church), the thing to do would be to remove the charitable deduction (Which is already very skewing and in favor fo the wealthy). But that doesn't really harm the church directly.

        JM
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        • pchang
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          The Catholic Church could probably raise a $1 billion from selling spare artworks in a yard sale.

      • They have income, it exceeds their expenses. Profit.

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        • Amazon had net sales of $178bn in 2017 and $233bn in 2018, with net bottom line earnings of $3bn and $10bn. Their income tax/corporation tax bills in the US were negative - the Feds paid them $137m and $129m.

          Trump got in a tizzy with the UK and France for daring to try and get the FANGS to pay some tax, any tax.

          Good luck taxing religion. They're even more slippery when it comes to money.
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          • -Jrabbit
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            My point is, a house of worship is neither business nor essential.

          • Dauphin
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            I would argue it is a business. It’s certainly not essential.

          • -Jrabbit
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            Well, certainly the megachurches, parochial schools, and video ministries are businesses. But most churches are actually what they say on the tin: local houses of worship, well-meaning, charitably inclined, and supported marginally via parishioner donations.

        • Originally posted by giblets View Post
          They have income, it exceeds their expenses. Profit.
          It most likely does not. At least not for any religion I know of. Most are in the red, and the question is just what they do not pay/do/etc.

          If they were in the black, that wouldn't make it profit... because there are capital expenses/etc (at least, in for profit businesses).

          The whole 'tax the churches' bit is pretty mixed up (other than property taxes).

          JM
          (note this is very different than the charitable deduction, and there are complexities of property taxes which are important in some jurisdictions and for some churches, especially the Catholic Church)
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          • BTW, probably something like 10-20% of churches in the US will close their doors due to a lack of income (because people give less if they aren't in church).

            The only churches I know that are solidly in the black are the Mormons and some evangelicals (namely the big name TV ones, even big megachurches are often mortgaged to the hilt).

            To significantly tax churches (outside of property taxes) just isn't reasonable, would require churches to be treated as special 'businesses' with a much higher relative tax rate and would drive most churches underground.

            JM
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            • Don't see a problem, if the churches can't compete in the marketplace with other forms of entertainment

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              • Dunno, but Trump's call for "more prayer" sums up his whole strategy to combat the virus quite well
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                • Originally posted by giblets View Post
                  Don't see a problem, if the churches can't compete in the marketplace with other forms of entertainment
                  Other forms of entertainment only pay taxes on profits or sales. Churches do not have the former and for the most part do not have the latter.

                  The call to tax churches/religion (other than property taxes) is effectively making them a special class that pays much more taxes than anything else. It is effectively a 'sin' tax on organized religion.

                  There is a reason it is an obvious no-go in the US.

                  JM
                  (property taxes are a thing though... )
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                  • Kayleigh McEnany - attractive yet annoying as hell. I wish she would stop using the podium as a live Twitter rant fest.

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                    For a host of different reasons, core Republican voters have begun to reconstitute themselves as a conspiracy theory cult devoted to beliefs that were once relegated to the farthest fringe–fictions that cannot help but end in civil conflict and violence if they fully become canon among conservative voters nationwide.
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                    • Commander’n’Twit is pushing full irony mode, attacking Twitter for alleged free speech violations (does he think Twitter is a government agency?) whilst also threatening to shut it down. All on Twitter itself.

                      What’s the play here? Petulance? Or is picking a fight with Twitter part of a campaign strategy?
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                      • I agree with Mobius's last poast.
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                        • Originally posted by Dauphin View Post
                          Commander’n’Twit is pushing full irony mode, attacking Twitter for alleged free speech violations (does he think Twitter is a government agency?) whilst also threatening to shut it down. All on Twitter itself.

                          What’s the play here? Petulance? Or is picking a fight with Twitter part of a campaign strategy?
                          Twitter is exempt from liability laws to promote free speech

                          The Democrats have been trying to coerce such platforms into censoring speech they dont like

                          "Dont hide behind the 1st Amendment" - Don Lemon of CNN advocating for censorship

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                          • dannubis
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                            They are fact checking him. Not deleting his comments. How are they curtailing his freedom of speech? If trump (and you) dont like being corrected, THEN DONT LIE.

                          • Berzerker
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                            I see, so the people who brought us 3 years of Russia Gate will decide the facts. I thought the Dems were calling for censorship, will they fact check everyone or just Trump? Like Schiff and Pelosi?

                            I wonder what these fact checkers were doing during Russia Gate. I see Google hired Patricia Karlan to their content board. She gave us the line during impeachment about Trump naming his son Barron doesn't make him a Baron.

                        • Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post

                          Other forms of entertainment only pay taxes on profits or sales. Churches do not have the former and for the most part do not have the latter.

                          The call to tax churches/religion (other than property taxes) is effectively making them a special class that pays much more taxes than anything else. It is effectively a 'sin' tax on organized religion.

                          There is a reason it is an obvious no-go in the US.

                          JM
                          (property taxes are a thing though... )
                          Do you really think the church of Scientology or the Mormon church don't make any profit? lol

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