Gentle reminder for tomorrow

[Aeson]

A serious question: Are you stupid? That is the only response I have to anyone who thinks this is, in any way, remotely like Venezuela. Venezuela's main problems are price controls and nationalization of busonesses, mostly as a weapon to oppress politjcal opponents. That has exqctly zero to do with controlling illegal alien migration so your response is less than I would expect from a two year old.

The solutjon to illegal alien criminals is to ruthlessly expell then and to brutally fine and imprison the cheaters who widh to exploitexplm for economic qdvantage. Again, yes, I wpuld like to see sensible and responsible immigration reform, focused mainly upon the educated and the wealthy with money tp invest, as is done in bpth Canada and Australia, but your claim open borders is the only alternative is utter hogwash.

To protect the earnings of lower class and less educated workers, mostly minorities and the downtrodden whom Dems claim tclaire about, immigration of poorly educated net takers needs to be restricted. Fact. Only then will we see the bottom 1/3rd of income earners see their incomes rise. I am all for educated people and people who agree to invest money being goven free range.

You are babbling a lot of nonsense here.

I thought you brought up Venezuela (Chavez) as your appeal to authority. Sorry.

Making illegals legal drives up wages. Keeping illegals in the underground undercuts wages.

We don't need more college educated in our workforce (at least not until we rebuild the blue collar base). We already have enough people with degrees flipping burgers or who've given up on working altogether. We are a top heavy economy. We need to fix the distribution problem and help rebuild the foundations of our economy. We have huge infrastructure projects that need doing. Who's going to do them? Obese Americans who are on disability or welfare? Better to have some strong healthy young men to do the work. If only there were somewhere that we could get them?

[pchang]

Wrong Chavez. He was talking about the farm labor activist.

[Dinner]

Did you really confuse Cesar Chavez of the farm workers movement with Hugo Chavez the former dictator of Venezuela?

[Dinner]

Jesus. No wonder your response made so little sense. You don't even know what you are arguing against.

[Kidlicious]

Ripped from their families and forcibly separated from their families are synonymous. In both cases they are forcibly being taken away. That you think one is a smear and the other is just clearly shows how absurd your mind works.

You're like a 5yr old hiding behind the curtains but your feet are showing.

[Dinner]

Rs have had both houses and the presidency and have enacted nothing. Ds weren't any better their last time in power. They are both complicit in the status quo, and both seem to prefer it. Splitting kids up from their families won't do diddly to fix things, it just harms the kids and their families.

The fix:

End the drug war, defund the cartels and gangs and private prisons, stop creating humanitarian crisis
End attempts to destabilise or overthrow foreign governments, stop creating humanitarian crisis
Amnesty and green cards for anyone already in the country who doesn't have a criminal record
End quotas, Nationality (or the ethnicity they are intented as a stand in for) doesn't determine if you're a good fit or not
Welfare reform, work programs, we have a lot of infrastructure to rebuild ... those "strong healthy young men" could be useful
Healthcare reform (as current system will eventually bankrupt the US with or without immigration factored in either way)

You, sir are an idiot.

1) No, flooding cities with drugs will not make people healthier or more productive.

2) The only countries we are trying to destablize are terrorists states like Iran so **** off with your idiocy.

3) No. Mass immigration of the poor and uneducated materially damages the lives and livilihoods of poor Americans so a thousand times no.

4) I would make this simply educated people no matter where they come from though though I would include free movement for first worlders who share common cultural values. Sunni muslims are to be extremely restricted as they cause 90% of world wide terrorism.

5) Do you really want to improve infrastructure production? If so you need to bring down cost and that means all prevailong wage requirements get eliminated. No more paying $30 per hour for a guy pushing a broom. Actual lowest bidder wins. Budgets do not double when politicians make construction projects twice as expensive they just build half as much.

6) I am for an NHS type healthcare system but to make that viable you cannot invite in everyone or the system gets flooded. Sorry, uneducated and poor people need not apply for immigration papers. Only the educated and people with money to invest; the rest can **** off.

[Aeson]

You're like a 5yr old hiding behind the curtains but your feet are showing.

That analogy makes no sense, and really begs the question why you’re imagining a 5 yo hiding behind shower curtains.

[Aeson]

You, sir are an idiot.

1) No, flooding cities with drugs will not make people healthier or more productive.

2) The only coontries we are teying to destablize are terrorists states like Iran so **** off with your idiocy.

3) No. Mass immigration of the poor and uneducated materially damages tge lives and livilihoods of poor Americans do a thousan times no.

4) I would make this simply educated people no matter where they come from though though I would include free movement to first worlders eho share common cultural values. Sunni muslims are to be extremely restricted as they cause 90% of world wide terrorism.

5) Do you really want to improve infrastructure production? If so you need to brong down cost and that means all prevailong wage requorements get eliminated. No more payong $30 per hour for a guy pushong a broom. Actual lowest bidder wins. Budgets do not double when politocoans make construction projects twice as expensive they just build half as much.

6) I am for an NHS stype healthcare system but to make that viable you cannot invite in everyone or they system gets flooded. Sorry, uneducated and poor people need not apply for immigration papers. Only the educated and people with money to invest; the rest can **** off.

The drug war is one of the main reasons for asylum seekers and illegal border crossings. It’s funding the cartels and drug gangs, putting them in charge of many areas and populations which leads to drug mules and human trafficking.

Weve interfered with just about every C and S American country at some point.

You are wrong about the poor and uneducated. They are the ones who would work hardest and appreciate it the most.

[Dinner]

I thought you brought up Venezuela (Chavez) as your appeal to authority. Sorry.

Making illegals legal drives up wages. Keeping illegals in the underground undercuts wages.

We don't need more college educated in our workforce (at least not until we rebuild the blue collar base). We already have enough people with degrees flipping burgers or who've given up on working altogether. We are a top heavy economy. We need to fix the distribution problem and help rebuild the foundations of our economy. We have huge infrastructure projects that need doing. Who's going to do them? Obese Americans who are on disability or welfare? Better to have some strong healthy young men to do the work. If only there were somewhere that we could get them?

Dumbass. Driving out illegal aliens who do not belong here drives up wages! At least for the blue collar. What is your major malfunction which prevents you from understanding basic supply and demand functions?

[Aeson]

In the current job market where we are essentially at full employment, driving out workers who are paid less than minimum wage likely has no positive effect on other people’s wages. There simply are not enough willing people to fill the low end jobs already.

Amnesty for anyone here willing to work would increase their wages. It would be a positive effect on the economy.

[Kidlicious]

That analogy makes no sense, and really begs the question why you’re imagining a 5 yo hiding behind shower curtains.

There you go again.

[Kidlicious]

The drug war is one of the main reasons for asylum seekers and illegal border crossings. It’s funding the cartels and drug gangs, putting them in charge of many areas and populations which leads to drug mules and human trafficking.

Weve interfered with just about every C and S American country at some point.

You are wrong about the poor and uneducated. They are the ones who would work hardest and appreciate it the most.

If the drug war brought more illegal immigrants you would support it, because you said we need an unlimited supply of immigrants that can't even read Spanish.

[Kidlicious]

In the current job market where we are essentially at full employment, driving out workers who are paid less than minimum wage likely has no positive effect on other people’s wages. There simply are not enough willing people to fill the low end jobs already.

Amnesty for anyone here willing to work would increase their wages. It would be a positive effect on the economy.

This is absolutely wrong. There are millions of unskilled laborers that have jobs now but desperately need higher wages and illegal immigration hurts them.

[Aeson]

If the drug war brought more illegal immigrants you would support it, because you said we need an unlimited supply of immigrants that can't even read Spanish.

I support helping out those in need ... especially when it’s in our own economic self interest. I do not support destroying their homeland so that they are in need, regardless of what is in oir own economic self interest.

[Aeson]

This is absolutely wrong. There are millions of unskilled laborers that have jobs now but desperately need higher wages and illegal immigration hurts them.

So make it legal immigration.

[Kidlicious]

I support helping out those in need ... especially when it’s in our own economic self interest. I do not support destroying their homeland so that they are in need, regardless of what is in oir own economic self interest.

Stranger opinion considering that a lot of them are responsible for smuggling poison into our country and feeding it to our children.

[Kidlicious]

So make it legal immigration.

[Dinner]

So make it legal immigration.

So you think importing millions, even billions, of completely uneducated and unskilled people to sign up for welfare is the path to prosperity? How clueless can one person be?