The Witch Hunt Revealed

[Kidlicious]

Well it's three agents that are in trouble IMO. Sztrok is fired, and I don't think that's all of the trouble he's in. Comey is disgraced, fired, and potentially facing legal troubles, and McCabe who is now facing a grand jury.

All were involved in this. But good article. A bit suprising.

[Berzerker]

I dont care if Flynn talked sanctions with Russia, but I do care if he lied about it...and I care more about what he did on behalf of Turkey. Took their bribe to try and send a dissident living in Pennsylvania back to Turkey. Flynn deserves jail for that.

[Kidlicious]

I dont care if Flynn talked sanctions with Russia, but I do care if he lied about it...and I care more about what he did on behalf of Turkey. Took their bribe to try and send a dissident living in Pennsylvania back to Turkey. Flynn deserves jail for that.

I don't hear anything about that bribe. If it's just an accusation by CNN or some other fake news I'm not interested in it. Also, if he was just investigated for it I don't want to hear about it.

About the lie, you are talking about lying about a crime that is never prosecuted. In fact, they never charged him for violating the Logan Act. Why would you care about that?

[Kidlicious]

This is an article by Flynn put out around the time he was interviewed by FBI.

Our ally Turkey is in crisis and needs our support




BY LT. GEN. MICHAEL T. FLYNN (R), CONTRIBUTOR2,348TWEET SHARE MOREIt is fair to say that most Americans don’t know exactly what to make of our ally Turkey these days, as it endures a prolonged political crisis that challenges its long-term stability. The U.S. media is doing a bang-up job of reporting the Erdoğan government’s crackdown on dissidents, but it’s not putting it into perspective.

We must begin with understanding that Turkey is vital to U.S. interests. Turkey is really our strongest ally against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), as well as a source of stability in the region. It provides badly needed cooperation with U.S. military operations. But the Obama administration is keeping Erdoğan’s government at arm’s length — an unwise policy that threatens our long-standing alliance.

The primary bone of contention between the U.S. and Turkey is Fethullah Gülen, a shady Islamic mullah residing in Pennsylvania whom former President Clinton once called his “friend” in a well circulated video.

Gülen portrays himself as a moderate, but he is in fact a radical Islamist. He has publicly boasted about his “soldiers” waiting for his orders to do whatever he directs them to do. If he were in reality a moderate, he would not be in exile, nor would he excite the animus of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his government.

For those of us who have closely studied the careers of Seyed Qutb and Hasan al Bana, the founders and followers of the Muslim Brotherhood, Gülen’s words and activities are very familiar.

The late Seyed Qutb in particular was very much in the Gülen mold. The author of 24 books on education and the arts, he assembled an inner circle of intellectuals and influential politicians. But contrary to this well-masked façade, Qutb’s writings provided the inspirationfor terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda. Qutb was hanged in 1966 in Egypt for instigating rebellion.

Likewise, Hasan al Bana, an Egyptian who died in 1949, defined the first phase of pre-emptive jihad as a long and quiet process that can take as long as a quarter of a century, to prepare the forces for a decisive strike. Al Bana famously declared that the only acceptable form of law is Sharia.

To professionals in the intelligence community, the stamp of terror is all over Mullah Gülen’s statements in the tradition of Qutb and al Bana. Gülen’s vast global network has all the right markings to fit the description of a dangerous sleeper terror network. From Turkey’s point of view, Washington is harboring Turkey’s Osama bin Laden.

Washington’s silence on this explosive topic speaks volumes when we hear the incredulous claim that the democratically elected president of Turkey staged a military coup, bombed his own parliament and undermined the confidence in Turkey’s strong economy, just so that he could purge his political opponents.

This baseless claim is a dark reminder of the vicious rumors spread by our enemies that 9/11 was an inside job by the American intelligence apparatus as an excuse to invade Muslim lands to grab their oil!

To add insult to injury, American taxpayers are helping financeGülen’s 160 charter schools in the United States. These schools have been granted more H1-B visas than Google. It is inconceivable that our visa officers have approved thousands of visas for English teachers whose English is incomprehensible. A CBS “60 Minutes” program documented a conversation with one such imported English teacher from Turkey. Several lawsuits, including some in Ohio and Texas, point to irregularities in the operation of these schools.

However, funding seems to be no problem for Gülen’s network. Hired attorneys work to keep the lucrative government source of income for Gülen and his network going. Influential charities such as Cosmos Foundation continue their support for Gulen’s charter schools.

stitute of Minority Muslim Affairs. This institute has promoted the thoughts of radical Muslim thinkers such as Qutb, al Bana and others.

The American public is being lulled into believing that Gülen is a Sufi scholar who promotes the teachings of Rumi, the Persian poet, works to expand interfaith dialogue and does a great job of providing American youth high-quality education in math and science as well as English.

Voices of concern about this shady character are quickly muffled by his vast network of public relations and legal professionals. He has established a false façade that he is a moderate at odds with Turkey’s autocratic leader.

This image is a stark reminder of a great American mistake from another era — one that has raised the cost of international security forever. We all remember another quiet, bearded, elder cleric who sat under an apple tree in Neauphle-le-Château in the suburbs of Paris in 1978.

He claimed to be a man of God who wanted to topple a dictator and return the power to the people. Washington believed him. Sadly, shortly after his rise to power through the Iranian revolution, we watched in horror as our diplomats were taken hostage for 444 days in what was once one of our strongest allies in the Middle East.

e Ayatollah’s terrorists have killed American servicemen and slaughtered Iraqi Sunnis by the thousands, and his brutal Quds Force killed innocent Sunni civilians in Syria. Ultimately, ISIS became the radical Sunni’s response to the mayhem caused by our friendly mullah under the apple tree.

History repeats itself when people repeat the mistakes of the past. It is time we take a fresh look at the importance of Turkey and place our priorities in proper perspective. It is unconscionable to militate against Turkey, our NATO ally, as Washington is hoodwinked by this masked source of terror and instability nestled comfortably in our own backyard in Pennsylvania.

We need to adjust our foreign policy to recognize Turkey as a priority. We need to see the world from Turkey’s perspective. What would we have done if right after 9/11 we heard the news that Osama bin Laden lives in a nice villa at a Turkish resort while running 160 charter schools funded by the Turkish taxpayers?

The forces of radical Islam derive their ideology from radical clerics like Gülen, who is running a scam. We should not provide him safe haven. In this crisis, it is imperative that we remember who our real friends are.



Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn (ret.) is the former director of Defense Intelligence Agency and the author of New York Times Bestseller “The Field of Fight.”

Editor’s Note: On March 8, 2017, four months after this article was published, General Flynn filed documents with the Federal government indicating that he earned $530,000 last fall for consulting work that might have aided the government of Turkey. In the filings, Flynn disclosed that he had received payments from Inovo BV, a Dutch company owned by a Turkish businessman with ties to Turkey's president and that Inovo reviewed the draft before it was submitted to The Hill. Neither General Flynn nor his representatives disclosed this information when the essay was submitted.

[BeBMan]

Turkey gets pardoned by every pres on a yearly basis

[Kidlicious]

Three videos that people should watch embedded in Flynn's piece.

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/305021-our-ally-turkey-is-in-crisis-and-needs-our-support

Gulen is a friend of Bill Clinton. There are ties to the Clinton Foundation. Flynn was making powerful enemies by putting that out.

Doesn't look like it was a bribe though, but should have disclosed.

[Kidlicious]

Turkey gets pardoned by every pres on a yearly basis

Gulen is a radical Muslim cult leader. It's one thing to advocate for an ally. It's another thing to advocate for a cult leader that has told his followers to overthrow the government of our ally.

[Kidlicious]

Interesting 60 Minutes video in that piece. They accuse Gulen of instructing his followers to get into the Turkish government and create a deep state to control the government. And they do that.

Bill Clinton's friend.

[Proteus_MST]

Gulen is a radical Muslim cult leader. It's one thing to advocate for an ally. It's another thing to advocate for a cult leader that has told his followers to overthrow the government of our ally.

That Gulen is a cult leader is some kind of misinformation that Erdogan spreads (since Guilen broke off from Erdogan ... they were political allies at one time)
In fact Gulens schools in germany seem to be more moderate than the mnuslim religious schools that are supported by Erdogan

Gulen is more of a Kemalist, whereas Erdogan tries to strengthen the influence of religion in turkey ... for example by abandoning the decade old prohibition on head veils in turkish universities.


In fact it was Erdogan who went to prison for some time because he recited a poem by a radical islamist, in which he (i.e. said islamist) wrote about his dream about using the faithful believers in order to usurp control of the (turkish) state


If you want to see the picture of turkey that Erdogan represents, just look here:
https://nypost.com/2017/05/17/state-...on-protesters/

The people running up to the lawn and beating and kicking other people are part of Erdogans security detail, kicking peacefulo protesters ... and they did so with full support of their beloved president (and this wasn't the only incident ... this seems to happen regularly when Erdogan comes to the USA)

[Kidlicious]

That Gulen is a cult leader is some kind of misinformation that Erdogan spreads (since Guilen broke off from Erdogan ... they were political allies at one time)
In fact Gulens schools in germany seem to be more moderate than the mnuslim religious schools that are supported by Erdogan

Gulen is more of a Kemalist, whereas Erdogan tries to strengthen the influence of religion in turkey ... for example by abandoning the decade old prohibition on head veils in turkish universities.

If you want to see the picture of turkey that Erdogan represents, just look here:
https://nypost.com/2017/05/17/state-...on-protesters/

The people running up to the lawn and beating and kicking other people are part of Erdogans security detail, kicking peacefulo protesters ... and they did so with full support of their beloved president (and this wasn't the only incident ... this seems to happen regularly when Erdogan comes to the USA)

So you think trying to overthrow the govt is moderate?

[Kidlicious]

The alliance among Erdogan, nationalists and ultra-secularists within the military is a case in point. Make no mistake, Erdogan is a religious conservative with Islamist tendencies. But above all, he is a populist nationalist who has no qualms about embracing the legacy of Ataturk – known as Kemalism – in favor of national sovereignty.

This is why it is time to replace the Islam-versus-secularism duality with the real political driver of Turkish politics: Turkish nationalism, the meeting point – rather than divergence – of secularists and Islamists.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=newssearch&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjzuZawmp_fAhXi5oMKHYppCxYQzPwBegQIARAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atimes.com%2Fislam-vs-secularism-theory-of-turkish-politics-misses-the-point%2F&psig=AOvVaw1hv2m9ude1k3oa8gY7Fjkk&ust=1544872957648756

[Kidlicious]

Same piece ...

And when secularism is so shallow, it is unsurprising to find that so-called secularists share so much with Islamists. For in fact, they are in full agreement on issues of critical relevance, such as in seeing the Turkish republic as a Muslim country that belongs to Sunni Turks.

Indeed, an important part of the problem is that secularism, in its Turkish context, never conceptualized the separation of state and religion. Turkish secularism utterly failed at creating a state that was impartial in its treatment of diverse faith communities. From its inception to this day, the “secular” Turkish republic has been a Sunni Muslim state where non-Sunni Muslims (called the Alevicommunities) and non-Muslims are regularly discriminated against.

The genetic code of the Turkish republic therefore is not based on genuine secularization. Instead, it is founded on Turkish nation-building and three historic tragedies: the de-Hellenization of Anatolia, the Armenian genocide, and the denial of Kurdish ethnic identity. In that sense, the Islam-versus-secularism fairytale fails to capture the centrifugal force that unites the majority of the Turkish populace, the Turkish political system and the foundational code of the Turkish state, the latter being conservative nationalism.

The marriage of nationalism with conservatism gives us the real official ideology of the republic: a Turkish-Islamic synthesis that gained official visibility after the 1980 military coup, when the generals began openly to embrace religious nationalism against socialism and Kurdish nationalism.

Erdogan’s embrace of Kemalism, therefore, is in great harmony and continuity with an authoritarian state tradition based on conservative nationalism. The glue that holds together this alliance between Kemalists and neo-Ottomansis the deeply rooted desire for full independence, full sovereignty and the national power to counter Western “imperialists” who are seen as modern-day Christian crusaders.
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[Kidlicious]

There is nothing moderate about Kemalism. It's a different type of extremism.

[Proteus_MST]

So you think trying to overthrow the govt is moderate?

So you believe the claims by Erdogan and his state propaganda network, that Gulen was behind the coup attempt?
Well, I shouldn't be surprised ...
for one because you also believe Trumpian propaganda
for the other because, duie to the distance and the disinterest of most US citizens in europe, there is a lot of disinformation getting spread

If you had watched / received actual news about the turkish coup attempt and its aftermath, you would know, that:
1. Erdogan abused the coup attempt in order to incorrectly scapegoat all of his political enemies for the coup (Gulen was one of them because, former ally of Erdogan, he broke off from Erdogan after Erdogan became more and more extremist)
2. Erdogan also abused the incident to syystematically dismantle the free press. In the months and years after the coup attempt, lots of media outlets got closed and their journalists incarcerated under false accusations of helping terrorists
3. Political parties that are competitors to Erdogan also got decimated and their leaders arrested or threatened
4. A large percentage of university teachers got arrested or lost their jobs under false accusations of helping terrorists and their positions either left vacant or they got replaced by islamic religiionists
5. Anyone wanting to take part in protests against Erdogan (in turkey) risks either getting arrested by police, or getting beaten up by Erdoganists
6. That Erdogan also tries to actively install a system of informants ion other countries, which are supposed to inform state representatives about people critical of Erdogan .... and in some cases actively intimidating critics of Erdogan (just ask Can Dündar)
7. That, if you have a turkish passport (but are living in another country, like germany), post something critical of Erdogan, for example on facebook, and then go on holiday to turkey, you may have a high risk of getting arrested (something that happened to a lot of german turks during the last year, as well as to german-turkish journalists who wrote articles critical of Erdogan)


It is somethign that Trump dreams of, but cannot install in the USA, because democracy there still is too strong.
And it also is very similar to how Hitler gained control of the german nation (i.e. by using a fake terrorism threat, directed at his political enemies (and other scapegoats), in order to declare a national emergency (that gives him elevated powers) and then incarcerating and/or killing those who could endanger his rule)

It may actually well be that Erdogan himself had something to do with the failed coup attempt (for example snitches in the military, which instigated some elements to actually stage the coup at a time of Erdogans wishes)

Fact is that the current turkish state under Erdogan has more in common with a police state and is more far away from being something like a democracy, than the turkish state a decade ago

[Kidlicious]

If there is an attempted coup against Trump he is justified in doing all of those things. Coups against democratic governments are bad mkay. So sad that that has to be said to you.

If you don't think Gulen is responsible then who is?