Sweden is desperately trying to destroy itself.

[giblets]

How do you determine someone is lying about their sex?

[rah]

It was mailed to all federal employees, and even though it was anonymous we, as the provider, needed to know who was returning to eliminate sending a follow up survey to those that already returned. So we buried a code in the package that identified the person. And we asked some demographic questions in the survey to validate the person that filled out the survey was the person we though it was. We never passed any of the PMI back to the government. We weren't that clever because some people found where we did it and cut it out the survey before mailing it back, but it worked over 99% of the time. And of course this was many years ago which is why the methodology was mail. Online surveys are much easier to track.

[Kidlicious]

I was intrigued by this topic and tried to sort out the numbers and stats.
It remains a difficult task, because as mentionned by Aeson:

This is confirmed even by official swedish sources see http://www.government.se/articles/20...ime-in-sweden/, the section about rape is the second one.
But it's wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden that sumarizes it best:

and


Now, OTOH, to compare apples with apples, there are the EU surveys: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statist...ice_statistics where they clearly sate (in paragraph "Data sources and availability"):

You can get the detailed tables, by crime, by country here: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statist...YB2016_II.xlsx
If you go to the rate table (Table09), you will get the trends in the Rape Offences recorded by the police. The problem I had with this table is that it shows the rough numbers and the trend, but not the relative number (rape per 100,000 inh).
So if you look at Sweden, you see the index for 2014 is 128, while for UK England and Wales it is 223. Based on these figures, you might think England has become a hell hole for rape, but in reality the numbers in those tables say nothing about relative numbers (rape per 100,000 inh).

However, I found this page http://www.nationmaster.com/country-...rime/Rape-rate and cross checked the numbers of the official EU tables for a few countries. When I put the EU numbers in a per-100K inhabitant formula, I got for Sweden 62.2, Belgium 29.3 and France 15.3. These numbers are close enogh to those on that nationmaster page, so I guess we can trust them.
It remains thus that even when "Countries are asked to adhere to standard definitions", the rape rate in Sweden remains the highest in Europe.

It also remains unclear if the EU figures are about rape reports or proven rape (after police enquiry, police "believing the victim"). The page makes you think it is about proven rape, but the table makes you doubt, maybe it's about rape reports. We can safely exclude it is about rape conviction, as both in the text of the page and inside the excel sheets, it clearly says "police recorded".

So the impression I got from all the web research I did, is that it is again politcal agenda stuff. All the numbers I found are not about convicted rapes, but about police reported rapes.
If you have a leftist mindset and a political agenda, you want to keep those numbers high, because it "proves" there is a rape culture. If you are more right wing, also with a political agenda, you will use thise high numbers to "prove" the left policy "doesn't work", "see the numbers". If you care more about people than political agenda, whether you're right or left wing, you want to clarify what is really going on and you want to compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges.

And as usual, I have a tendency to think that the scientists who conducted the survey had one intention, but the political (and media) world used it to demonstrate something else.
Everything I found about this topic makes me think the EU enquiry was about rape reports, not about proven rape: are women afraid to report rape or not. If indeed this was the point of the survey, then an increase of your numbers is an improvement. 28% increase in Sweden, good, 123% in UK excellent. Victims are reporting.
But those numbers have been used by politics and media to demonstrate actual rape. Maybe influenced by extreme feminist idea that every reported rape is an actual rape.

So my very feeling here: There is very clear political manipulation of stats and fuzzyness of definitions for some left wing agenda. The numbers are also very clearly used by people with a rightist agenda, and they come with radically different conclusions. And both are of course wrong about what these numbers are.
It would be the job of journalists to put the survey back in context and read all the numbers and definitions and spot those little details that shine the light on what was actualy surveyed. But which journalist does that today. Political agenda and emotional news/titles get you more hits than facts.

But that's just my 2 eurocent impression...

Journalists are not willing to do that because it is very bad for their career. They will be called racist and so forth. Anyway, that's what some are saying. That's also the way it appears, and if leftists are as bad in Sweden as they are in the US I believe it. Maybe they are even worse.

[Ming]

Thanks to Kid, we know how bad right wing nut jobs are in America. It would be difficult to believe they could be possibly worse any where else.

[dannubis]

Arguing with people like Kid is like arguing with a kitchen table. He is too stupid or fundamentalist to reason with so why bother.

[rah]

But it makes him waste his time to defend himself. You can make one comment and it revs him up for the whole day. He may think he's trolling us, but if you look at numbers of posts, the opposite is obvious.

And it's so easy to make him look like an idiot and have him reduced to throwing back 6 year old insults

[kentonio]

Arguing with people like Kid is like arguing with a kitchen table. He is too stupid or fundamentalist to reason with so why bother.

Because we have nothing better to do?

[Ming]

Sure... it's fun to watch him get all wound up. It's hilarious when he falls into his all lefties are (fill in the blank) or simply has no other response so he says something totally off topic and silly.
It's even better when the best he can respond is to insult somebody since he knows anything else he might post on the subject would be silly. Or watching him dig himself deeper into the holes he has dug. Pure entertainment.

[Kidlicious]

But it makes him waste his time to defend himself. You can make one comment and it revs him up for the whole day. He may think he's trolling us, but if you look at numbers of posts, the opposite is obvious.

And it's so easy to make him look like an idiot and have him reduced to throwing back 6 year old insults

Everyone knows you're trolling. You are second rate though.

[rah]

Everybody but you obviously.
Since you always bite.

[Kidlicious]

"Alice Bah Kuhnke, minister of Culture and Democracy made the remark on Sunday evening as she was quizzed on how Sweden should deal with jihadi defectors by the state broadcasterSVT.Ms Kuhnke said: “First of all if there are suspicions of crimes, they need to be investigated. And any such crimes should be punished.

“But after that we need structures locally, such as social services, around our country to integrate them back into our democratic society.”"

-not CNN

(she's talking about ISIS fighters returning to Sweden)

[giblets]

By punishing their crimes what does she mean? I'm all for executing ISIS fighters.

[Kidlicious]

You never cease to amaze giblets.

[Jon Miller]

Sweden focuses on rehabilitation. Even the most terrible criminals can not receive any more than 10 years in prison (the maximum allowed by law). Swedish prisons are also focused on rehabilitation.

I think that is a nice way to run a country, and definitely the best way to have things. I think that it might only work when there are so little violent crime though.

JM
(There is talk about Sweden having much higher violent crime then listed. I believe that it has higher than it is use to, but believe me that it has much much lower than comparable US cities.)

[Dinner]

By punishing their crimes what does she mean? I'm all for executing ISIS fighters.

Sadly, whiny lefties have outlawed capital punishment in the EU and, worse, they make it a requirement to join the RU helping to export that bad policy (at least to perspective new members). The death panelity should be reserved for the worst cases but it should not be outlawed.

BTW even saying that European countries should take back ISIS Jihadis is so retarded someone should get the death penalty. Make the politicians sign their name to each individual Islamic terrorist they let in and if the terrorist commits a terrorist act then the politician should hang with him. I mean that as it would put a stop to this nonsense over night.