"Obama wiretapped Trump Tower - well, just kidding, dunno really"

[Kidlicious]

None of this is relevant to me because I replied to your statement that the gov can't spy because X which you later backed up with an article saying the government can spy on you in certain circumstances.

X is "you talked to a Russian spy"

[Kidlicious]

What are you babbling about? If you talk to a Russian spy, you are quite likely to be recorded doing it, and the government certainly CAN record conversations of Russian spies within the law. It doesn't become something "GOVERNMENT CAN NOT" do just because you say so!

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[Kidlicious]

The Daily Caller is almost the definition of fake news. It is says she created a spreadsheet, we can be certain she did not.

What fake news?

[Kidlicious]

Unmasking happens all the time. The idea that this is unusual is typical fake news from the failing Fox network and other peddlers of fake news..

Statistics show that it only happens roughly 25% of the time MrFakeNews, and if you don't know that there is a problem with spying on political opposition I'll call you stupid. Basically, if you spy on your political opponents you better damn well find something big or that's your ass.

[BeBMan]

X is "you talked to a Russian spy"

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

Remember:

(a) conduct a criminal investigation in which the American citizens can be targeted for court-authorized surveillance based on probable cause of a crime

[Ming]

Kid - A typical response since you really can't deny it... Have a nice day.

[grumbler]

The Constitution of the US allows reasonable searches, and eavesdropping on spies clearly is reasonable.

[grumbler]

What fake news?

The "news" published by the "Daily Caller."

[Kidlicious]

The Constitution of the US allows reasonable searches, and eavesdropping on spies clearly is reasonable.

Another ignoramus.

[grumbler]

Statistics show that it only happens roughly 25% of the time MrFakeNews, and if you don't know that there is a problem with spying on political opposition I'll call you stupid. Basically, if you spy on your political opponents you better damn well find something big or that's your ass.

Statistics are not applicable in determining whether or not a decision is reasonable. 75% of the time, the US person involved in a FISA wiretap is not unmasked, 25% of the time they are. this was one of the cases falling in the 25% category, Mr. IDontKnowAnythingAboutStatistics. Ignorance is not an excuse for your reation of arguments based on fake news you create yourself. Basically, if you sell out the US to the Russians, you'd better not take to them on the phone, or it's your ass (just ask former NSA and registered agent for Russia Mike Flynn). Stupid is as stupid does, though.

[grumbler]

Another ignoramus.

People who blindly quote sources and provide neither context nor explanation generally ARE ignoramuses.

[Aeson]

It can't possibly happen ... the odds are so low ... 1 in 4!...

[Kidlicious]

Statistics are not applicable in determining whether or not a decision is reasonable. 75% of the time, the US person involved in a FISA wiretap is not unmasked, 25% of the time they are. this was one of the cases falling in the 25% category, Mr. IDontKnowAnythingAboutStatistics. Ignorance is not an excuse for your reation of arguments based on fake news you create yourself. Basically, if you sell out the US to the Russians, you'd better not take to them on the phone, or it's your ass (just ask former NSA and registered agent for Russia Mike Flynn). Stupid is as stupid does, though.

If you smack yourself on the ass you better not turn around and hit yourself over the head with a hammer.

[Kidlicious]

People who blindly quote sources and provide neither context nor explanation generally ARE ignoramuses.

You are supposed to know it to get a high school diploma

[Berzerker]

You don't need to unmask names of US citizens (your political opponents) to spy on the Russians.

This is not standard practice. This is unprecedented!

But the most recent government data shows that unmasking or identifying Americans happens in a limited number of cases. The Office for the Director of National Intelligence, which oversees the 17 intelligence agencies, said "...in 2015, NSA disseminated 4,290 FAA Section 702 intelligence reports that included U.S. person information. Of those 4,290 reports, the U.S. person information was masked in 3,168 reports and unmasked in 1,122 reports."

"Limited"? Over 1,000 in one year is not unprecedented

if you're an analyst and you have a conversation between the russians and an american, you might need to know who the american was to understand the conversation. And until the names are unmasked, the analyst doesn't know if the american is a political opponent.