With all the talk about thinking about the "Prophet Muhammad" this Christmas it's time for a reality check.

[Kidlicious]

Mary and Joseph would have been murdered by Muslims if they tried to go to Bethlehem today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/22/if-joseph-and-mary-tried-to-reach-bethlehem-today-they-might-get-murdered-by-palestinian-terrorists/?tid=ss_fb-bottom

[Proteus_MST]

And without jews and without Jesus thre wouldn't be any muslims firstplace, as Muhammed built his religion on the foundations of judaism and christianity.
(on the other hand, without christianity no christian-muslim conflict (and also no oppression of jews by christians) ... most probably europe and the near east would still have some kind of pagan polytheism (or perhaps would be, in the majority, agnostic or atheist .... similar to nowadays europe) with the jews being a minority religion in those regions)

[Aeson]

Solution: Romans to conquer Judea?

[BeBMan]

Wouldn't that cause the Judean People's Front to emerge?

[Kidlicious]

And without jews and without Jesus thre wouldn't be any muslims firstplace, as Muhammed built his religion on the foundations of judaism and christianity.
(on the other hand, without christianity no christian-muslim conflict (and also no oppression of jews by christians) ... most probably europe and the near east would still have some kind of pagan polytheism (or perhaps would be, in the majority, agnostic or atheist .... similar to nowadays europe) with the jews being a minority religion in those regions)

Of course he built on the foundations of the beliefs of the people he conquered had. It's much easier to get people to accept your new religion that way. That's not to say that we should compare Islam to Christianity, because the Apostles did not make up a religion to lord over people.

[Aeson]

Wouldn't that cause the Judean People's Front to emerge?

Well, by that time Mary and Joseph would have safely rested over in the stables. Sure, their son would eventually be crucified, but that's way better than simply staying home because you don't have to travel to pay your taxes.

[Proteus_MST]

Of course he built on the foundations of the beliefs of the people he conquered had. It's much easier to get people to accept your new religion that way. That's not to say that we should compare Islam to Christianity, because the Apostles did not make up a religion to lord over people.

In the beginning not, the later church on the other hand did ... many of the conversions were made with fire and sword

[Elok]

Wait, there was talk about Muhammad? Who was talking? I haven't heard a thing about Muhammad.

[Kidlicious]

I think Muhammad foresaw liberals saying "muslims believe in Jesus just like Christians do!"

[Ming]

That's not to say that we should compare Islam to Christianity, because the Apostles did not make up a religion to lord over people.

Sure they should be compared... both have been responsible for tons of deaths and suffering. That, they have in common.

[Kidlicious]

Sure they should be compared... both have been responsible for tons of deaths and suffering. That, they have in common.

So now telling people to love their enemy is murder?

[loinburger]

Do you love your ex?

[Kidlicious]

Do you love your ex?

I haven't murdered her

[PLATO]

Sure they should be compared... both have been responsible for tons of deaths and suffering. That, they have in common.

I think it is important to remember that both the religions have as their goal the betterment of people. The failings in both religions is the execution of the religion by people and not the religions themselves.

[loinburger]

I haven't murdered her

Because you love her?