So be it.

[Ellestar]

Your views are wretched to the core. Take it somewhere else. I'm not going to read that big pathetic diatribe about how gays are horrible.

And that's a perfect example of what i'm talking about. These attention whores take too much of your attention from really important stuff, like, you know, wars? Or economy? He spammed entire offtopic with his whines the moment voting didn't go his way. Noone else did it. They can attention whore only as much as you let them.

[giblets]

Most Americans don't give much thought to Russian gays.

[Jon Miller]

I do feel like the Ds put a lot of political capital into being pro LBGT, which didn't meaningfully improve most people's lives (and was the direction society was going anyways, so why spend political capital to get there a decade early?), and not into handling issues that caused the BLM movement or the Occupy movement (the latter arguably is what elected Trump, the fact that the rustbelt was ignored).

And it cost them.


JM

[Giancarlo]

And that's a perfect example of what i'm talking about. These attention whores take too much of your attention from really important stuff, like, you know, wars? Or economy? He spammed entire offtopic with his whines the moment voting didn't go his way. Noone else did it. They can attention whore only as much as you let them.

I talk about the important stuff all the ****ing time on here along with a variety of other issues. I posted this thread accepting the results of this election. I posted that Democrats now need to shift themselves back to the people and work hard for the 2018 midterms.

You are the one that posted a stupid ignorant diatribe about how bad gay people and the only attention whore is you.

Get the hell out of my thread.

[Giancarlo]

I do feel like the Ds put a lot of political capital into being pro LBGT, which didn't meaningfully improve most people's lives (and was the direction society was going anyways, so why spend political capital to get there a decade early?), and not into handling issues that caused the BLM movement or the Occupy movement (the latter arguably is what elected Trump, the fact that the rustbelt was ignored).

And it cost them.


JM

They should have been more retroactive on several fronts, but this country is still deeply divided and more people did not support Trump. Just the electoral college again.

Still, this isn't over.

I can see some new faces emerging from the democratic party. If not Harris, there are several others.

[Aeson]

Ds just needed a candidate with charisma and no FBI investigations and they would have crushed Trump. I don't think you can take this election as a condemnation of policy.

(Certainly we can and should condemn bad policy on merit rather than acceptability to voters. Trying to be more inclusive and less dismissive of others concerns would be good for both parties.)

[Ming]

I also think one of Hillary's biggest mistakes was calling Donald Trump‘s supporters a “basket of deplorables.”
She did herself no favors with fence sitters with that.

[Giancarlo]

Agreed.

In hindsight, it was an error nominating her. The FBI pulled a lousy trick towards the end though and it turned out to be nothing but smoke. The truth is the damage was already done even after that email clearing her.

Perhaps if not for that, she would have won.

[giblets]

Perhaps if she grew a penis, she could win.

[Elok]

GC: I would advise you, over the next couple of months, to get yourself a passport, if you don't have one already. If your guy gets chucked back, you may well want to consider joining him for a spell. The expatriate American's life in Lima, at least, is quite pleasant--I can vouch for that--and likely to be more pleasant still for somebody who speaks Spanish fluently, as I assume you still do. I'd still be in Lima if I'd had any prayer of making it work financially (and if I'd had a support network for raising my boy). You have a good enough degree, from an American institution, that you'd have a good shot at employment in a university setting down there. It doesn't sound like you have dependents to worry about. The internet will let you keep in touch. And gringo money, in Peru at least, goes hella far.

Finally, if Trump actually gets the political muscle to chuck out all the illegals, and make it stick in practice, things are likely to get rather unpleasant for you as well (what with you being a class enemy and all). My horrible fears are a long shot, as even I recognize; I'm morbid. Still, the situation here in the US is likely to take a while to resolve itself, one way or another, and while I'm hardly your biggest fan I see no reason for you to put up with years of unnecessary misery while you have options. So get your passport in order. It's only prudent.

(trying not to sound morbid, honest)

[Egbert]

Umh. I see michael moore is sttill around.

He may have nailed why trump was elected.

QUOTE
“They see that the elites, who ruined their lives, hate Trump. Corporate America hates Trump. Wall Street hates Trump. The career politicians hate Trump,”
ENDQUOTE

Perhaps the is: If that lot hate Trump then Trump that makes Trump look good.

http://thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/2016/11/10/michael-moore-donald-trump-plan/

[Elok]

Yeah, I saw that'n, and IIRC shared it a couple of pages back. Thing is, MM's plan to fight back is basically "same game plan as before, only angrier and with different people in charge."

[Egbert]

Yeah, I saw that'n, and IIRC shared it a couple of pages back. Thing is, MM's plan to fight back is basically "same game plan as before, only angrier and with different people in charge."

MM's plan probably doesn't matter.

I think it reasonable to assume the major parties are going to be doing some very hard thinking. I go on to suggest we will see the politicians giving much more thought to the interests of the ordinary workers. Wall Street may be in for a hard time in the political sphere.

[Grandpa Troll]

Agreed.

In hindsight, it was an error nominating her. The FBI pulled a lousy trick towards the end though and it turned out to be nothing but smoke. The truth is the damage was already done even after that email clearing her.

Perhaps if not for that, she would have won.

lol...ya think its wrong of the FBI?

Do you think it was wrong of the IRS failing to either arrest of charge at a minimum that hate spewing Reverend Al Sharpton who owes

Mr. Sharpton has regularly sidestepped the sorts of obligations most people see as inevitable, like taxes, rent and other bills. Records reviewed by The New York Times show more than $4.5 million in current state and federal tax liens against him and his for-profit businesses.

And though he said in recent interviews that he was paying both down, his balance with the state, at least, has actually grown in recent years. His National Action Network appears to have been sustained for years by not paying federal payroll taxes on its employees.

[Alexander's Horse]

I also think one of Hillary's biggest mistakes was calling Donald Trump‘s supporters a “basket of deplorables.”
She did herself no favors with fence sitters with that.

Oh yeah = totally agree with that - the unguarded moment, the sneering tone...I got mad. I'm a white church going middle aged male...

If I was in small town heartland middle America that could motivate me to cast my deplorable ballot. She didn't even visit the rust belt states that cost her the election.

I think the other thing the Dems did was fall for the urban rainbow coalition trap. Trump just scooped up rural districts in some states.