German government trying to force children to go to mosque

[Proteus_MST]

Being "fine with" and not punishing are two very different things. You have the right to raise your child. I don't. People are, this day, raising children to believe that all Christians are evil. They tell them all kinds of lies. I'm not using the political system to try to prevent them from doing that because I have respect for individuals. It's not my place.

I for my part see this differently.
One of the important duties of school IMHO is, to make the pupils fit for life in a modern society.
And this also means that school should take care about removing prejudices the children may have (and replace them with actual knowledge)

And yes, even if the parents want the children to keep their prejudices.

It is like the teaching of the theory of evolution. Many parents (especially in the USA) don't want that their kid learns about the ToE ... because they don't want their kid to stray away from the christian creation myth.
But it is for the best of society (and the kids themselves) that the kids are "forced" against the will of their parents to learn about the ToE.
Similarly it is for the best of society (and the kids themselves), if kids in a multicultural societies get real knowledge (instead of prejudices) about other religions/cultures, even if it is against the will of the parents

[Kidlicious]

I for my part see this differently.
One of the important duties of school IMHO is, to make the pupils fit for life in a modern society.
And this also means that school should take care about removing prejudices the children may have (and replace them with actual knowledge)

And yes, even if the parents want the children to keep their prejudices.

It is like the teaching of the theory of evolution. Many parents (especially in the USA) don't want that their kid learns about the ToE ... because they don't want their kid to stray away from the christian creation myth.
But it is for the best of society (and the kids themselves) that the kids are "forced" against the will of their parents to learn about the ToE.
Similarly it is for the best of society (and the kids themselves), if kids in a multicultural societies get real knowledge (instead of prejudices) about other religions/cultures, even if it is against the will of the parents

This is totally different. This is making students go to a mosque to make them tolerant of Islam, because the government approves of Islam. It is the governments opinion that there is nothing wrong with Islam. So this is totally different from teaching children ToE. And to add to it they are punishing the parents which is just out right crap.

That said, I would have no problem with parents deciding that their child should't be taught ToE. Many of the people teaching it are atheists. They are IMO, going to try to influence children to be atheists.

[Kidlicious]

The point is, they aren't teaching tolerance at all, if they themselves are't tolerant. The evidence shows that they aren't, since they punish people for exercising their god given rights.

[Proteus_MST]

This is totally different. This is making students go to a mosque to make them tolerant of Islam, because the government approves of Islam. It is the governments opinion that there is nothing wrong with Islam. So this is totally different from teaching children ToE. And to add to it they are punishing the parents which is just out right crap.

That said, I would have no problem with parents deciding that their child should't be taught ToE. Many of the people teaching it are atheists. They are IMO, going to try to influence children to be atheists.

And such an insecurity in their own faith (or fear of other faiths) was actually, which caused the catholic church to burn heretic books and heretics (or people believed to be them) and to wage crusades (and normal wars) against regions of other faiths, even if it were just variations of the christian faith (see 30 yeras wars and the albigensian crusade)

[Proteus_MST]

The point is, they aren't teaching tolerance at all, if they themselves are't tolerant. The evidence shows that they aren't, since they punish people for exercising their god given rights.

A society cannot be totally tolerant of everything.
Else we would also have to be tolerant about ritual sacrifices (i.e. if the victim colunteers to be sacrificed) or of paedophilia (if it is consensual)
We would also have to be tolerant about Neonazis making parades in which they demand the extermination of all jews and of parents who don't want their children be taught anything at all (and neither send them to school, nor do homeschooling)

and so on

[Ming]

The point is, they aren't teaching tolerance at all, if they themselves are't tolerant.

This is funny since you are one of the most intolerant posters here.
You are only tolerant of people that believe what you believe.

[rah]

First if all you are flat out lying. Show me where I said all Muslims are evil. And prove that I believe all the propaganda. So bull****.

I'm glad that you let your children be exposed to Christianity. IMO, that will do nothing but good for them. However, Islam is a different matter.

You ask us to show you but save us the effort by doing it in the same post.

[Giancarlo]

First if all you are flat out lying. Show me where I said all Muslims are evil. And prove that I believe all the propaganda. So bull****.

I'm glad that you let your children be exposed to Christianity. IMO, that will do nothing but good for them. However, Islam is a different matter. Islam teaches intolerance. Now that's my opinion, which you obviously have no respect for. That's too bad. I hope that you teach your children to have respect for other people's opinions and not lie about what they say and call them names like bigot when they are simply defending their parental rights

Many groups in Christianity (including the Catholic church) preach intolerance too. Believe me I would know. You are lying about everything. Nobody was forced to go to this Mosque as it was entirely optional. The parents made a stink about nothing and wanted to make a political statement.

[Giancarlo]

The point is, they aren't teaching tolerance at all, if they themselves are't tolerant. The evidence shows that they aren't, since they punish people for exercising their god given rights.

Here we go with this argument... People throw this crap at the LGBT community and accusing them of being "intolerant" of Christians. It is a phony argument.

Second, they weren't punished for refusing to allow their kids to be sent to a Mosque. The trip to the Mosque was entirely optional. This point pretty much destroys everything else you have to say.

[BeBMan]

Re thread - Just wondering whether some ppl should have been forced to go to school when there was still time

[kentonio]

I'm glad that you let your children be exposed to Christianity. IMO, that will do nothing but good for them. However, Islam is a different matter. Islam teaches intolerance. Now that's my opinion, which you obviously have no respect for. That's too bad.

I certainly don't have any respect for that opinion, because its stupid, ignorant bull****. Muslims and Christians (and Jews and Hindus etc etc) can be either tolerant or intolerant, and it can usually be mapped pretty closely to how fanatical their religious beliefs are.

Oh and you've given a perfect example of just how intolerant Christians can be in this very thread. Excellent work.

[Kidlicious]

A society cannot be totally tolerant of everything.
Else we would also have to be tolerant about ritual sacrifices (i.e. if the victim colunteers to be sacrificed) or of paedophilia (if it is consensual)
We would also have to be tolerant about Neonazis making parades in which they demand the extermination of all jews and of parents who don't want their children be taught anything at all (and neither send them to school, nor do homeschooling)

and so on

Ridiculous. I'm talking about letting people raise their own children. not letting them sacrifice children.

[kentonio]

Ridiculous. I'm talking about letting people raise their own children. not letting them sacrifice children.

Why are you trying to stop parents natural right to choose whats best for their children?! ****ing nazi!!

[Kidlicious]

And such an insecurity in their own faith (or fear of other faiths) was actually, which caused the catholic church to burn heretic books and heretics (or people believed to be them) and to wage crusades (and normal wars) against regions of other faiths, even if it were just variations of the christian faith (see 30 yeras wars and the albigensian crusade)

They certainly aren't insecure of their faith. They just want to raise their own children. Maybe you liberals are insecure, eh?

[Giancarlo]

They certainly aren't insecure of their faith. They just want to raise their own children. Maybe you liberals are insecure, eh?

NOBODY WAS FORCING THEM TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO THE MOSQUE.

They weren't fined for that reason.