Who is to blame for the mess with IS in Iraq?

[Proteus_MST]

Discussion thrade for Ben and Giancarlo

As an opener I say:

It is Bush jrs fault, because he toppled a government that had islamist elements within its society under control.
And all that only because "Saddam tried to kill daddy" and for oil

[Aeson]

It all started when God destroyed the Tower of Babel and scattered the people, confounding their languages ... before then at least humanity was united together in their attempt to asphyxiate themselves in the upper atmosphere.

Now look at the place, a total mess.

[Proteus_MST]

Didn't it all start with Adam & Eva?

We wouldn't have gotten into this mess if god had chained Adam & Eva to the tree ...
just like Proteus did with the upright beast, so that the children could have sport with it,
according to the 13th scroll of the holy scripture of the apes

[Uncle Sparky]

Banana option...

[korn469]

First, I blame the British and French. If they had of paid more attention to ethnic divisions after World War I, they could have done a better job of nation creation where the Middle East would have been more stable. More stability means less chance of an Iran/Iraq war, and less chance of an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. No invasion of Kuwait no Gulf War in 1991 and then no follow on sanctions and Gulf War in 2003. If that doesn't happen then no ISIS.

If that's not good enough then I blame dinosaurs. If they had of all died under Australia instead of the Middle East and all of that oil was down under, instead of where it currently is, far fewer people would care, and I doubt that a proxy war would be raging in Syria that has the possibility, probably infinitesimal, of leading to a nuclear confrontation between the US and Russia if the US imposes a no fly zone and starts shooting down Russian planes, which leads to Russian antiaircraft units shooting down US planes, which leads to missile attacks from the US Navy and Air Force against the Russian AA sites, which leads to Russian submarines sinking US ships, which leads to the US sinking the Russian carrier, which leads to Russian cruise missile attacks against US bases, which leads to conventional US airstrikes in Russia, which leads to nuclear retaliation at some point.

[C0ckney]

i blame dinner.

[BeBMan]

I blame Egyptians for worshipping Isis...

[Lorizael]

First, I blame the British and French. If they had of paid more attention to ethnic divisions after World War I, they could have done a better job of nation creation where the Middle East would have been more stable. More stability means less chance of an Iran/Iraq war, and less chance of an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. No invasion of Kuwait no Gulf War in 1991 and then no follow on sanctions and Gulf War in 2003. If that doesn't happen then no ISIS.

If that's not good enough then I blame dinosaurs. If they had of all died under Australia instead of the Middle East and all of that oil was down under, instead of where it currently is, far fewer people would care, and I doubt that a proxy war would be raging in Syria that has the possibility, probably infinitesimal, of leading to a nuclear confrontation between the US and Russia if the US imposes a no fly zone and starts shooting down Russian planes, which leads to Russian antiaircraft units shooting down US planes, which leads to missile attacks from the US Navy and Air Force against the Russian AA sites, which leads to Russian submarines sinking US ships, which leads to the US sinking the Russian carrier, which leads to Russian cruise missile attacks against US bases, which leads to conventional US airstrikes in Russia, which leads to nuclear retaliation at some point.

Most oil comes from plant matter, iirc. Blame cyanobacteria.

[-Jrabbit]

Stop spoiling our worldwiew, Lori. We would really rather believe that all oil comes from dead dinosaurs.

In fact, we can't figure out why dinosaur bones aren't found in little pools of oil...

[Giancarlo]

I will stay out of this one. I made my point already.

[giblets]

It's Obama's fault. Or maybe Bill Clinton. But certainly not George W Bush.

[Ben Kenobi]

You support a viewpoint that would cause thousands more US soldiers to die for unnecessary reasons. The forces closing in on Mosul are more than adequate. The Iraqi army has dramatically improved in training and in morale.

You support a viewpoint that already resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens.

[Giancarlo]

You support a viewpoint that already resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens.

You are a liar and I already gone over why your point is intrinsically false.

You can't even dispute what I said. You, being the liar you are, should stick to debates about the bible.

[Ben Kenobi]

I already gone over why your point is intrinsically false.

Pulling out completely vs 10k didn't actually save anyone's lives. But it did result in ISIS taking over half of Iraq. And that's lead to genocide and extermination of hundred of thousands of Iraqi citizens.

[Giancarlo]

Pulling out completely vs 10k didn't actually save anyone's lives. But it did result in ISIS taking over half of Iraq. And that's lead to genocide and extermination of hundred of thousands of Iraqi citizens.

He is lying again... But all I'm going to say is...