The Dakota Access Pipeline protest is the biggest gathering of native tribes since the 1860s.

[The Mad Monk]

It was all over Clyde Barnes' Ground Zero (and pretty much nowhere else), a few nights ago. Sounded pretty bad.

My take: they are more than a little lunatic fringe (this from hearing live interviews), but what was done to them was criminal.

One point of contention was whether it occured on Indian land or Federal land.



Interesting discussion on the protest, from about two days before:

[Giancarlo]

This blatant disregard for the environment isn't just a crime against people, but against this whole planet. There needs to be strong tough regulation against such nefarious activity.

More power to them for standing up!

[Proteus_MST]

Did the US government already send in the 7. Cavalry ... and/or a few Gatlings?

[The Mad Monk]

No, but private contractors brought in dogs.

[pchang]

Next time, they should bring ground meat and Valium.

[Ben Kenobi]

This really pisses me off. They killed a pipeline project up in Northern BC, now the jobs will go elsewhere. They are the modern day luddites.

[Bereta_Eder]

Excellent that they managed

following the example

[Proteus_MST]

This really pisses me off. They killed a pipeline project up in Northern BC, now the jobs will go elsewhere. They are the modern day luddites.

Well, if the pipeline should lead through indian lands, that is totally their right.
The US-Government already cheated away most of the lands the indians possessed in the past and gave them worthless barren lands in exchange.
Should they now confiscate away the few remaining lands the indians still possess?
Or perhaps deport the indians again, for example to some more worthless patch of desert or alaskan ice, at least until the US government/economy also needs this place?

[Bereta_Eder]

btw looking for the documentary I stumbled upon this.
interesting (watched half so far)

[The Mad Monk]

Well, if the pipeline should lead through indian lands, that is totally their right.
The US-Government already cheated away most of the lands the indians possessed in the past and gave them worthless barren lands in exchange.
Should they now confiscate away the few remaining lands the indians still possess?
Or perhaps deport the indians again, for example to some more worthless patch of desert or alaskan ice, at least until the US government/economy also needs this place?

Problem is, it's not on indian lands -- at least as currently defined.

What sounded crazy at first but didn't on further review: insisting the pipe was being laid on indian land, using the Treaty of 1851 for reference. Legally, the treaty was rescinded (in 1868!) and it's useless to make the claim based on it, and it makes them sound kinda wacky when they do; however, it was a treaty and rescinding it wasn't their idea. So I can understand the anger.

[Bereta_Eder]

Translation: we stole it,
yeah they're pissed

[Giancarlo]

This really pisses me off. They killed a pipeline project up in Northern BC, now the jobs will go elsewhere. They are the modern day luddites.

Oh please. Oil is a boom or bust. You should know that. Those jobs weren't going to be created in the first place with the bust in the market. Once Daesh is defeated in Iraq, oil prices will plummet. The jobs were being killed off by low oil prices, Ben.

[giblets]

No, but private contractors brought in dogs.

100% wolves.

[giblets]

Oh please. Oil is a boom or bust. You should know that. Those jobs weren't going to be created in the first place with the bust in the market. Once Daesh is defeated in Iraq, oil prices will plummet. The jobs were being killed off by low oil prices, Ben.

It's taking a long time to destroy ISIS.

[Giancarlo]

It's taking a long time to destroy ISIS.

No longer the case really. Mosul is surrounded and their last supply route in Syria was just cut.

But let's get back to the subject.