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  • #16
    I was struck during one of the press conferences of the normality and choreographed nature of it. Sadly this is how much of the world is becoming. We are all being normalized to any kind of terror or tragedy. I think the world is nearing a decision point...do we learn to accept this and continue to trade blood for blood or do we begin to address the root causes of all kinds of terror...domestic and international? A world where these events become common and normal is a dark one indeed.
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    • #17
      Omar Mateen of Port Saint Lucie, Florida, came to the attention of federal authorities twice prior to being identified as the gunman in the Orlando nightclub mass shooting, a senior law enforcement source told The Daily Beast.

      Mateen killed 53 people and shot more than 100 in total at the Pulse gay nightclub early Sunday morning, in the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history.

      The senior law enforcement source reports that Mateen became a person of interest in 2013 and again in 2014. The Federal Bureau of Investigation at one point opened an investigation on Mateen but subsequently closed the case when it produced nothing that appeared to warrant further investigation.

      “He’s a known quantity,” the source said. “He’s been on the radar before.”

      The gunman is said by the source to have been born in New York and to have been married for a time to a woman from New Jersey. His father, Seddique Mateen, appears to reside in Florida, but is said to be presently running for office in Afghanistan.
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...source=twitter

      How does one get investigated by the FBI twice, fail to be put on the Terrorist Watch list and be legally authorized by the government to carry a firearm?
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      • #18
        Meanwhile the Texas Lt Gov decided to show the world exactly how much of a ***** he is, by tweeting this as the news was breaking..

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
          http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...source=twitter

          How does one get investigated by the FBI twice, fail to be put on the Terrorist Watch list and be legally authorized by the government to carry a firearm?
          Apparently being on a terrorist watch list doesn't bar you from buying a gun

          Which actually isn't all that surprising, presumably the fear is that the government would use this as a back door to banning firearms across the board by putting every tom dick and harry on a watch list
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          • #20
            Originally posted by loinburger View Post
            Apparently being on a terrorist watch list doesn't bar you from buying a gun

            Which actually isn't all that surprising, presumably the fear is that the government would use this as a back door to banning firearms across the board by putting every tom dick and harry on a watch list
            Presumably, they do a background check before granting a CCL and Security Guard license?
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            • #21
              I don't know if being on a watch list would necessarily show up on a background check - AFAIK they just check semi-public data like credit rating and arrest record, and the FBI doesn't exactly go out of their way to publicize that somebody is under suspicion
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bereta_Eder View Post
                You're talking to a guy a world away (from murica) that had a great time at the beach and is beaming with hapinness and for whom this news have the same importance as a bat flying over china.
                However, I can be (very forced) to feel some sympathy for them sure. Actually it is a tragedy anyway you look at it.

                Having said that, poly is half filled with dim wits crying over protection of guns and saying jesus hates gays.

                I am hard pressed to feel (very) sorry
                Why don't you start your own thread for your bigoted trolling? Is that too much to expect?
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                • #23
                  Besides, I don't know that I want people to be able to be denied employment or housing (I just moved into a new apartment and they ran a background check on me) et cetera due to inclusion on an opaque enemies list. If the list were transparent and you could challenge your inclusion on it then that would probably be justified, but we don't want to open the door to another McCarthy.
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                  • #24
                    Authorities in Santa Monica found possible explosives as well as assault rifles and ammunition in the car of a man who told them he was in town for the L.A. Pride festival in West Hollywood, a law enforcement source said.

                    Early Sunday, there was a call to Santa Monica police of a suspected prowler near Olympic Boulevard and 11th Street. Patrol officers responded and encountered an individual who told officers he was waiting for a friend. That led officers to inspect the car and find several weapons and a lot of ammunition as well as tannerite, an ingredient that could be used to create a pipe bomb.

                    The car had Indiana plates. He did make comments that he was in town for the pride event in West Hllywood [sic] this weekend. Sources said they did not know of any connection between the gay nightclub shooting in Orlando, Fla., early Sunday morning and the Santa Monica incident, and the investigation has been taken over by FBI.
                    Man with weapons and explosives arrested, was going to L.A. gay pride parade, police say: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...nap-story.html
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                    • #25
                      I'm kinda baffled as to how this psycho managed to take out so many. Even with an assault rifle going full auto in a very crowded building with lots of clips to spare, he's one guy; you'd think they'd all bolt the hell out the back door as soon as the shooting started, and he'd take out twenty or thirty at most . . . I guess it's a combo of the targets being impaired and extremely high ambient noise that would make it initially difficult to tell that somebody was bullet-hosing by the front door? Maybe the nightclub is divided into separate small areas such that people in the back can't see the front unless they're deliberately looking?

                      EDIT: Come to think of it, there'd be a bottleneck, wouldn't there? This place can't have that many exits, and with it being Saturday night they'd be hella crowded. Possibly in excess of occupancy limits. You might have a significant number simply crushed by the stampede, let alone the shooter.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                        Apparently being on a terrorist watch list doesn't bar you from buying a gun

                        Which actually isn't all that surprising, presumably the fear is that the government would use this as a back door to banning firearms across the board by putting every tom dick and harry on a watch list
                        The 2nd Amendment is necessary because it gives people the right and power to oppose tyrannical government. The government would clearly look at anyone who exercised that right as a terrorist. If the government took away the gun rights of terrorists, they'd be taking away the power and purpose of the 2nd Amendment. And we can't have that.
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                        • #27
                          The Westboro Baptist Church also already getting orgasms because of it on Twitter ... telling the world that the victims now will be in hell,. together with their murderer. And that god sent said murderer.
                          (obviously they aren't smart enough to detect how contradictory this statement is ... if god sent the murderer, he surely won't be in hell now)



                          I wonder if they will picket the victims funerals (considering the WBCs behaviors in the past, I would be surprised if not)
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                            Meanwhile the Texas Lt Gov decided to show the world exactly how much of a ***** he is, by tweeting this as the news was breaking..

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                            • #29
                              White, male Christians responsible....
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
                                The Westboro Baptist Church also already getting orgasms because of it on Twitter ... telling the world that the victims now will be in hell,. together with their murderer. And that god sent said murderer.
                                (obviously they aren't smart enough to detect how contradictory this statement is ... if god sent the murderer, he surely won't be in hell now)



                                I wonder if they will picket the victims funerals (considering the WBCs behaviors in the past, I would be surprised if not)
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