Completely antibiotic resistent bacteria found in US.

[Dinner]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/05/26/the-superbug-that-doctors-have-been-dreading-just-reached-the-u-s/

So we now have diseases which are completely resistant to every known antibiotic and they are in the US. It is worth noting that the main cause of antibiotic resistance is the routine use of antibiotics in livestock because they make chickens, pigs, and cattle grow faster and put on more weight. That is not a medical reason, that is just an abuse which big agro corps use to pad their profits and now people are going to die because Tyson Chicken wanted their chickens to grow 8% faster.

[Proteus_MST]

Wasn't there already one case in a japanese hospital, several years ago, where someone died from pneumonia (or some other secondary infection) due to it reacting to none of the antibiotics administered?

[Proteus_MST]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ached-the-u-s/

So we now have diseases which are completely resistant to every known antibiotic and they are in the US. It is worth noting that the main cause of antibiotic resistance is the routine use of antibiotics in livestock because they make chickens, pigs, and cattle grow faster and put on more weight. That is not a medical reason, that is just an abuse which big agro corps use to pad their profits and now people are going to die because Tyson Chicken wanted their chickens to grow 8% faster.

There are several reasons ... among them also, that antibiotic therapies often are stopped too early (so that part of the bacteriae survive and may be transmitted to other people ... among them bacteriae which are immune to the specific antibiotic [with the bacteriae having a chance to transfer their immunity to other bacteriae]),
but also that antibiotics often are prescribed too early (instead of first looking if the immune reactions of the body are strong enough to fight off the bacteriae for themselves)

[Elok]

I remember a podcast (Radiolab?) where somebody decided to test out a "moste excellente medicine" recipe from a medieval medical text. It involved boiling wine with various nasty crap, and to their tremendous surprise, it was wonderfully effective against bacteria in a petri dish. The scientist they interviewed speculated that, after a certain amount of time without exposure to an antibiotic, germs lose their resistance. It's hard to stay adapted to fight off absolutely every poison. Perhaps that will prove to be the key to our current conundrum: rotating medicines so the bugs keep getting hit below the belt. Of course, we'd need more medicines that actually worked, first. What happened to those weird ones that they found in the dirt a couple of years back? Held up in trials, I'm guessing?

[Lorizael]

I remember a podcast (Radiolab?) where somebody decided to test out a "moste excellente medicine" recipe from a medieval medical text. It involved boiling wine with various nasty crap, and to their tremendous surprise, it was wonderfully effective against bacteria in a petri dish. The scientist they interviewed speculated that, after a certain amount of time without exposure to an antibiotic, germs lose their resistance. It's hard to stay adapted to fight off absolutely every poison. Perhaps that will prove to be the key to our current conundrum: rotating medicines so the bugs keep getting hit below the belt. Of course, we'd need more medicines that actually worked, first. What happened to those weird ones that they found in the dirt a couple of years back? Held up in trials, I'm guessing?

Of course...

[Dinner]

Wasn't there already one case in a japanese hospital, several years ago, where someone died from pneumonia (or some other secondary infection) due to it reacting to none of the antibiotics administered?

Yes, it has been arpund for a while but this is the first case in the US.

[Dinner]

I remember a podcast (Radiolab?) where somebody decided to test out a "moste excellente medicine" recipe from a medieval medical text. It involved boiling wine with various nasty crap, and to their tremendous surprise, it was wonderfully effective against bacteria in a petri dish. The scientist they interviewed speculated that, after a certain amount of time without exposure to an antibiotic, germs lose their resistance. It's hard to stay adapted to fight off absolutely every poison. Perhaps that will prove to be the key to our current conundrum: rotating medicines so the bugs keep getting hit below the belt. Of course, we'd need more medicines that actually worked, first. What happened to those weird ones that they found in the dirt a couple of years back? Held up in trials, I'm guessing?

I think you are talking about a case in England where doctors had a patient with an eye infection that was antibiotic resistent. They used a 10th century eye balm as a "well, nothing else has worked and we are out of ideas" sort of thing. To their surprise the 10th century cure worked.

[Dinner]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-32117815

Found it. It seems Bald and his leechbook came through on that one.

[Proteus_MST]

Hopefully none of these old medicines had Mummia as ingredient ...
too many old egyptian mummies already have been ground to dust for medical reasons

[Ben Kenobi]

It's hard to stay adapted to fight off absolutely every poison.

Antibiotic resistance to anything comes at a cost. The only reason bacteria select for it is because of the environment in which it is presented. it is why over prescription is a problem as well as 'antibiotic' household cleaners. Don't use them. Use bleach, etc.

[pchang]

Stopped too early => patient non-compliance
Prescribed too early => giving in to patient demands

[Kidlicious]

We need something to thin the herd.

[Thoth]

We need something to thin the herd.

Bovine diet pills?

[Dinner]

Stopped too early => patient non-compliance
Prescribed too early => giving in to patient demands

Letting agro corps pump antibiotics into livestock to boost growth rates despite every doctor saying what a bad policy it was = corruption of the highest order. Countries like China allowing them to be sold over the counter without any controls = criminal malfeasance.

[pchang]

True, but patient behavior is also part of the story.