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    '70 bodies' found in abandoned lorry in Austria

    More than 70 bodies, thought the be migrants, may be in the abandoned truck found on a motorway in eastern Austria, according to reports.

    As European leaders met in Vienna on Thursday to tackle Europe’s refugee crisis, an abandoned truck was found with decomposing bodies piled inside.

    Initial reports indicated there may be up to 50 bodies but Austrian media on Friday quoted interior ministry spokesman Alexander Marakovits saying there were more than 70.

    It was the latest tragedy in a year that has seen tens of thousands of people risking all to seek a better life or refuge in wealthy European countries.

    German chancellor Angela Merkel said at the Vienna conference she was “shaken by the awful news,” and summit participants held a minute of silence.

    “This reminds us that we in Europe need to tackle the problem quickly and find solutions in the spirit of solidarity,” Ms Merkel said.

    Migrants fearful of death at sea in overcrowded and flimsy boats as they flee turmoil and war in the Middle East have increasingly turned to using a land route to Europe through the Western Balkans.

    But the discovery of the bodies in the truck on the main motorway connecting Vienna to the Hungarian capital of Budapest showed there is no truly safe path.

    Thousands cross from Greece daily with the help of smugglers, aiming to reach European Union countries like Germany, Austria or Sweden and apply for asylum. The human traffickers may charge thousands of dollars per person, only to stuff them into trucks and vans so tightly that they often cannot move – or breathe.

    Austrian police on Thursday declined to say what killed those found in the truck, pending an investigation.

    The state of decomposition made establishing identities and even the exact number of dead difficult. Senior police official Hans Peter Doskozil said on Thursday that “20, 30, 40 – maybe 50” corpses were inside.

    The truck was towed to an air-conditioned location near the border with Hungary where authorities would open it once temperatures had cooled enough to begin removing the bodies, said Mr Doskozil, the chief of police in Burgenland province.

    Post-mortem examinations would be conducted in the capital later, he said.

    Officials found the driverless truck shortly before noon on the motorway shoulder about 25 miles east of Vienna, near the town of Parndorf, and they originally believed it had mechanical trouble, said police spokesman Helmut Marban.

    Then they saw blood dripping from the cargo area and noticed the smell of dead bodies, he said.

    Police quickly realised there were no survivors, Mr Doskozil said.

    Information from Hungarian police indicated the truck was east of Budapest early Wednesday and entered Austria overnight before being abandoned, he told reporters in Eisenstadt, the provincial capital.

    The condition of the bodies indicated the victims may have died before the truck entered Austria, he added.

    The truck apparently used to belong to the Slovak company Hyza, which sells chicken meat and is part of Agrofert Holding, owned by Czech finance minister Andrej Babis. Agrofert Holding, in a statement, said it had sold the truck in 2014.

    The new owners did not remove Hyza’s logos, and the company said it had nothing to do with the truck now.

    News of the tragedy spread quickly to the thousands of migrants travelling on foot and by vehicle from Serbia into Hungary, a major entry point for EU asylum seekers.

    They said they had heard stories before of smugglers lying to clients and dropping them far short of their promised destination or of abandoning them, sometimes still locked in trucks.

    But they felt there often was little choice but to take such risks, given the physical toll of walking many miles on challenging – often guided only by a map on a smartphone.

    Hungary on Thursday deployed more police on its porous border, but refugee activists said the effort appeared futile in a nation whose migrant camps are overloaded and barely delay their journeys into the heart of the EU.

    Police reported a single-day record of 3,241 detentions Wednesday, 700 more than the previous day, as they launched a new initiative to channel migrants to one of the country’s five camps using special trains. Under police escort, about 600 asylum- seekers boarded a train to be delivered directly to at least two migrant camps.

    Others continued to cross Hungary’s 109-mile border with Serbia on foot.

    At the Vienna summit, Austrian chancellor Werner Faymann had just finished telling other European leaders that there was an urgent need to crack down on human traffickers when news came of the grisly discovery on the motorway.

    Participants fell silent for a minute in tribute, and Mr Faymann invoked the tragedy as showing the need for quick solutions to deal with the torrent of migrants.

    “Today, refugees lost the lives they had tried to save by escaping, but lost them in the hand of traffickers,” Mr Faymann said.

    Austrian foreign minister Sebastian Kurz floated elements of a five-point plan that foresees setting up safe havens in the migrants’ home countries where those seeking asylum in the EU could be processed and – if they qualify – be given safe passage to Europe.

    Beyond safe havens, possibly protected by troops acting under a UN mandate, the Austrian plan to be submitted to EU decision-makers foresees increased controls on Europe’s outer borders and co-ordinated action against human smuggling. It also calls for refugee quotas for each of the EU’s 28 members – something that many countries have opposed.

    “Never before in history have so many people fled their homes to escape war, violence and persecution,” German foreign minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said. “And given the large number of unresolved conflicts in our neighbourhood, the stream of refugees seeking protection in Europe will not abate in the foreseeable future.”

    Amnesty International alleged that EU indecisiveness was partly to blame for the latest migrant tragedy.

    “People dying in their dozens – whether crammed into a truck or a ship – en route to seek safety or better lives is a tragic indictment of Europe’s failures to provide alternative routes,” the rights group said a statement. “Europe has to step up and provide protection to more, share responsibility better and show solidarity to other countries and to those most in need.”
    ****ing horrible. Bad enough that they died at all, but 'blood dripping from the truck' doesn't exactly seem like they died from overheating or being crammed in too tight, unless they were fighting to get out.

    Time to stop with all this anti-immigration **** and come up with a humane policy. So tired of hearing people complaining that that immigrants lower their house values or make it harder to get a job. Well these folks are willing to undertake life threatening journeys so they can get a chance to live somewhere they don't have to watch their children starve, or risk being killed in wars you insensitive ****s, man the hell up and stick your first world problems up your ass.

  • #2
    It is tragic because it's tangible but many many more die in the mediteranean every day.
    There are around 4 million in the seaside of turkey and with the very pro immigration greek gov., the checks are basically scrapped.

    Now that it's summer they can go (relatively) safely from the turkish coast to the greek islands because the sea is very smooth.

    From there they are ferried with a 2.500 capacity boat from the islands to athens. from there to northern greece on the borders with skopjie.

    from there they board trains and traverse serbia. they arrive in hungary or divert through croatia.

    they sell their houses to gather around 2.000 euros that the trip cost.

    spain built a fence in maroco and cracked it down.

    after libya's destruction the whole coast is filled with refugees but the trip to lambedousa and sicily is far more dangerous than what it is in the aegean.

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    • #3
      i'm particularly touched by the syrian refugees not only for the historical reasons that unite greeks and syrians but because most of them seem very cultured and educated. the site of someone offloading 10 twix and 5 bottles of water to a syrian family with small children in some plaza is a everyday occurence.

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      • #4
        What's tragic is that the vast majority of asylum seekers are coming from Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Somalia...

        You know, all the countries the West has invaded or destabilised recently...

        So easy to destroy and simply turn your back on the effects of your interference.

        If you really want to help refugees, look beyond the Mediterranean

        There are ten million people displaced from Syria. We have a duty to help more than just the ones who try to cross the sea illegally
        Surely this is the smart thing to do? Starting with the £12m that the UK is going to spend building better fences - or the £22m spent on Hungary's futile fence (the Daily Mail wishes them good luck!).

        That's the start of a useful budget right there - wasted on ideological right-wing policies...
        Last edited by NICE MOBIUS; August 28, 2015, 06:10.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kentonio View Post
          ****ing horrible. Bad enough that they died at all, but 'blood dripping from the truck' doesn't exactly seem like they died from overheating or being crammed in too tight, unless they were fighting to get out.

          ...
          German speaking source don´t speak of blood dripping out of the van, but rather a fluid, which was later (i.e. upon opening the lorry and finding the corpses) identified as corpse water.

          Considering the fact that it happened in austria I guess german speaking sources are the more reliable ones with regards to this case

          At the moment it is assumed that the people suffocated in the lorry

          I guess the people smugglers, after some time on the road, opened the back door of the lorry, found out that their human cargo had perished, and then just parked the lorry somewhere ... hoping that it would only be detected at a time, when they already were far away.
          Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
          Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by NICE MOBIUS View Post
            What's tragic is that the vast majority of asylum seekers are coming from Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Somalia...

            You know, all the countries the West has invaded or destabilised recently...

            So easy to destroy and simply turn your back on the effects of your interference.

            If you really want to help refugees, look beyond the Mediterranean

            ...
            And the other bad thing is ...
            the country that has the most responsibility for destabilizing these countries ... the USA ...
            won´t be affected by any asylum seekers at all, as all of them will try to seek refugee in europe
            Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
            Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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            • #7
              1. This a tragedy and everything needs to be done to avoid this in the future. More help needs to reach the refugees at the borders before they have to undertake this type of journeys...
              2. 71 dead, 8 women, 4 children. That leaves about 50 men not part of a family in that truck. This at least strongly indicates that 2/3 of the people on that truck were refugees with primarily economical motives. As long as this aspect is not solved at the borders, no european population is going to accept mass imigration from the middle east.
              "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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              • #8
                Young single men can be escaping war or famine too. Especially when its from countries where women have very limited rights, you'd expect to see more men.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by NICE MOBIUS View Post
                  What's tragic is that the vast majority of asylum seekers are coming from Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Somalia...

                  You know, all the countries the West has invaded or destabilised recently...

                  So easy to destroy and simply turn your back on the effects of your interference.
                  I don't see how the West is at fault for Syria, Libya and Somalia collapsing into civil war. Unless you think the West should have backed brutal dictators in Libya and Syria and helped them crush the rebels? That still doesn't explain Somalia, I don't think the West is hostile to the central government there.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                    Young single men can be escaping war or famine too. Especially when its from countries where women have very limited rights, you'd expect to see more men.
                    Annoying question I don't have an honest answer to: If they want to escape famine and war, why is it then that most of them want to escape to North Western Europe? Surely they could stay in Southern Europe and be helped there until their return?
                    "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                    • #11
                      chocolate waffles

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                      • #12
                        south europe can't offer them jobs and a decent living.
                        just that they won't be killed in a bombing.
                        that's not enough.

                        why stay in countries where unemployment has skyrocketed through 20% and more and not go to 7% or 5% countries?
                        makes sense.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by giblets View Post
                          I don't see how the West is at fault for Syria, Libya and Somalia collapsing into civil war. Unless you think the West should have backed brutal dictators in Libya and Syria and helped them crush the rebels? That still doesn't explain Somalia, I don't think the West is hostile to the central government there.
                          Let's see, the west bombed the crap out of Libya; ISIS exists because of the west; Um, Blackhawk Down?

                          At least you admitted Iraq (see ISIS above) and Afghanistan.

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                          • #14
                            Actually, I blame the UK for all problems in that region.
                            “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                            ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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                            • #15
                              Er, we're actually talking four separate and distinct regions. But yes, colonialism. If that's what you're getting at?

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