Once again, French surrender monkeys saved by brave USians

[NICE MOBIUS]

We should have a thread about this: actual education on poly - wonders will never cease!

[grumbler]

Whoops, my mistake. Not Chrysippus. However his teacher, Cleanthes might have accused Aristarchus of Samos of impiety. Apparently that depends upon the version and interpretation of texts that have come down to us. So maybe Cleanthes did or maybe he didn't.

Whilst Chrysippus and Cleanthes were Stoics and believed in an essentially mechanistic universe they did have a place in their views for gods.

I looked that up, and it appears to be more interesting even than heliocentrism; according to Plutarch, the "impiety" of Aristarchus was, according to Cleanthes, the argument of Aristarchus that the apparent motion of the stars was due to the rotation of the earth, not the rotation of the heavens. Given our modern understanding that all motion is relative, this would be an incredibly absurd issue over which to debate piety. See paragraph VI here:http://thriceholy.net/Texts/Moon.html