Once again, French surrender monkeys saved by brave USians

[pchang]

Yes. They should admit their failings. Instead, Thalys is trying to cover their asses in an attempt to not get sued.

[Sava]

can't tell if sarcasm...

I don't recall your exact remarks on the subject. But if I had to guess, I'd say you are probably more in support of something like "tort reform" (restricting damages or the ability to sue altogether) than not.

You don't believe those people had a responsibility to offer that sort of aid, correct?

So I don't suspect you think they should be sued.

So then... why would any actions on their part to avoid a lawsuit be bad, in your mind?

just trying to understand

[pchang]

Your memory about me and tort reform is bad.

[Sava]

okay

but it feels right

[kentonio]

Yes. They should admit their failings. Instead, Thalys is trying to cover their asses in an attempt to not get sued.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there's roughly zero chance that there's any kind of legal responsibility for train company employees to risk their own lives attempting to save passengers from terrorists.

[Sava]

thanks obama?

[DinoDoc]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there's roughly zero chance that there's any kind of legal responsibility for train company employees to risk their own lives attempting to save passengers from terrorists.

You are aware that the staff is alleged to have fled to the protected compartment and locked other passengers out, yes?

[Sava]

you don't believe they should be sued

or that there exists a responsibility to help your fellow man

you are just here for heroporn

[dannubis]

I thanked your post and didn't even have to read his...

Predictability

[NICE MOBIUS]

I wonder if those who are lauding the American heroes so shrilly, would they do the same if presented with the same situation?

[kentonio]

You are aware that the staff is alleged to have fled to the protected compartment and locked other passengers out, yes?

What's your point? The account was that they got some passengers in there and then locked the door. We don't know the situation, was there room for more people? Was there time to get more people in there? Even if they'd just run in themselves and locked everyone out while cackling evilly, I'm still at a loss to see what legal grounds anyone would have for suing them in Europe.

Train companies have a duty of care in some ways, but I'd be utterly shocked if that included expecting their staff to risk their lives to save passengers. Working for a train company isn't like being a firefighter or joining the army, you don't sign up for life or death decision making.

[kentonio]

Oh and furthermore it seems they weren't even train service staff but restaurant staff from a subcontracting company. Damn it, why weren't those likely minimum wage servers willing to be heroes?!

[Bereta_Eder]

According to DD they should have started throwing plastic forks at the assailant relentlessly and now that they didn't, they should go to jail.
Mississippi logic.

[dannubis]

Well if they had been american woman they could have thrown more weight in the balance...

[Egbert]

Are you referring to Chrysippus (279 – 206 BCE)? He was an empiricist. He'd go with the evidence. I have never seen anything about him calling for the condemnation of anyone "who proposed the earth as anything other than the centre of the universe." In fact, he thought the universe existed for the benefit of God (he considered all gods to be manifestations of a single god), not man.

I could be convinced otherwise by evidence, of course.

Whoops, my mistake. Not Chrysippus. However his teacher, Cleanthes might have accused Aristarchus of Samos of impiety. Apparently that depends upon the version and interpretation of texts that have come down to us. So maybe Cleanthes did or maybe he didn't.

Whilst Chrysippus and Cleanthes were Stoics and believed in an essentially mechanistic universe they did have a place in their views for gods.