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  • #46
    So maybe there's hope for Kid yet. BTW, other people being sick has costs for you too.
    “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

    ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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    • #47
      So you don't believe in a fair economic system but you are religious, and you don't mind people calling a tax fair, even though it's not?
      Religion doesn't make rich people pay more, and tithing is only 10 percent. If 10's enough for God, then it should be enough for the state.
      Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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      • #48
        No. I've been working poor most of my life. You're spreading misinformation, not to mention the fact that families get the EIC. I used to prepare taxes btw.
        Yes, and how is my argument that payroll taxes punish the poor wrong? I've been paying Yankeestani taxes. Payroll taxes have the additional lovely effect of raising the cost of poor people's labor without raising their effective compensation.
        Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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        • #49
          So why would you bother working toward getting a raise? Your plan would make people take home less money after they got a raise past the threshold. This is already happening with Obamacare.
          at 4x the poverty rate, there's just not even enough money out there at the 60k+ level. You could tax the remainder at 100 percent, and still come up short.
          Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
            Religion doesn't make rich people pay more, and tithing is only 10 percent. If 10's enough for God, then it should be enough for the state.
            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

            "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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            • #51
              Atheists shouldn't have to pay taxes. If 0% is enough for God, it's enough for the state.

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              • #52
                who could possibly argue with that airtight reasoning.
                "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                • #53
                  Atheists shouldn't have to pay taxes. If 0% is enough for God, it's enough for the state.
                  I'm actually ok with Atheists not having to pay taxes. We should treat them like Amish. No taxes, no government benefits, no government jobs. No voting either.
                  Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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                  • #54
                    Ok. I just disagree with that BK.
                    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                      I'm actually ok with Atheists not having to pay taxes. We should treat them like Amish. No taxes, no government benefits, no government jobs. No voting either.
                      The problem with your reasoning is that you are an atheist as well, for all the gods you don't believe in. In fact, you and I agree on the non-existance of millions and millions of gods. There may be one god whose existence we disagree on, but that's less than one-one-thousandth of a percent of the number we do agree on. So, you are 99.999+% atheist yourself.
                      The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty…we will be remembered in spite of ourselves… The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the last generation… We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.
                      - A. Lincoln

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                      • #56
                        I'd give up my right to vote to not pay taxes. Don't they have to settle for making cheese and not driving cars though?
                        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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                        • #57
                          Do be stupid. Nothing Ben says is correct.
                          “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                          "Capitalism ho!"

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                          • #58
                            I'd give up my right to vote to not pay taxes
                            Can I have your citizenship?
                            Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                            "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                            • #59
                              The problem with your reasoning is that you are an atheist as well, for all the gods you don't believe in. In fact, you and I agree on the non-existance of millions and millions of gods. There may be one god whose existence we disagree on, but that's less than one-one-thousandth of a percent of the number we do agree on. So, you are 99.999+% atheist yourself.
                              Yet. I believe in an infinite number more gods than you.
                              Last edited by Ben Kenobi; June 14, 2015, 23:38.
                              Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                                Religion doesn't make rich people pay more, and tithing is only 10 percent. If 10's enough for God, then it should be enough for the state.
                                God doesn't pay pensions and doesn't protect the country by personally smiting all foes.

                                Then again, if a state would have been able to have a 10% tax for their leisure and do absolutely nothing to the population, then i guess they would have been happy with a 10% tax too.
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