Pope attacks the Christian Right, says they aren't Christians

[Imran Siddiqui]

Do these traditions have a hell, and if so then who goes to hell if everybody is forgiven whether they wanted to be forgiven or not?

Most universalists aren't into the notion of Hell. Or consider that Christ has emptied Hell on Holy Saturday (I believe that is part of the Orthodox view - Elok can fix my error)

When that part of the Bible was read during mass during my Catholic upbringing, the emphasis on that passage was "Forgive them for they know not what they do," i.e. the sin was ignorant rather than malicious, whereas malice still requires one to seek forgiveness.

Aren't you switching your goalposts . They knew what they were doing was wrong - the ignorance was on how big their wrong was (not just killing an enemy of Rome, but killing God).

To add, when St. Stephen was killed, he merely asked for forgiveness for his stoners, no they knew not stuff (Acts 7:60).

[loinburger]

Aren't you switching your goalposts . They knew what they were doing was wrong - the ignorance was on how big their wrong was (not just killing an enemy of Rome, but killing God).

I wasn't aware that I had any goalposts - I was just explaining what I was taught. I don't believe in an afterlife or divine forgiveness or anything like that, so it doesn't bother me at all that some denominations have implicit forgiveness while others have explicit forgiveness - about the only thing that bugs me about people's afterlife beliefs is when they have masturbatory fantasies about other people being tortured for all eternity (this is somewhat understandable in the case of people like Hitler, but is utterly absurd, despicable, and pitiable in the case of people like Carl Sagan or Richard Dawkins or Charles Darwin etc).

[The Mad Monk]

Roman soldiers killing an enemy of Rome is something the soldiers would know is wrong?

[The Mad Monk]

In a couple of days they come to take me away but the press let the story leak

And when the radical priest come to get me released we's all on the cover of Newsweek!

(that's what I originally came in to post)

[Imran Siddiqui]

Roman soldiers killing an enemy of Rome is something the soldiers would know is wrong?

They would (or at least should have) know the excessive cruelty was wrong.

[The Mad Monk]

Imran. Romans.

[Kidlicious]

Jesus: "Sell all your **** and look after the poor and needy"
Pope: "Hey, maybe people should occasionally concentrate more on looking after the poor than which new car to buy?"
Kid: "The pope is a ****ing liberal communist who should concentrate on religion!"

Sometimes I actually wish religion was real, just so I could watch Jesus return to earth and kick the **** out of the likes of you and Ben.

Communism is not giving your stuff to the poor. It's blaming others for your poverty and taking hostile action against them.

[The Mad Monk]

True dat.

[Kidlicious]

Grace requires the desire to be forgiven, and I can imagine some Christians refusing to ask for forgiveness from Hippie Jesus.

No such thing as Hippie Jesus. Jesus was always very hard at work doing the will of the Father.

[The Mad Monk]

You're being too subtle as usual, Loin.

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[kentonio]

Communism is not giving your stuff to the poor. It's blaming others for your poverty and taking hostile action against them.

You do know that when the communists took over Russia they actually were largely living in poverty due to the oppression and abuses of others, right?

If you think Jesus wasn't a socialist though, you need to learn to read the words in the bible, rather than just looking at the pictures in the childrens version.

[kentonio]

JM.

Is the forum being a **** for anyone else today? Keep getting wierd delays and double posts.

[rah]

Today is better than yesterday. Then I was getting the you're about to leave this page message whenever I hit submit.

[Kidlicious]

You do know that when the communists took over Russia they actually were largely living in poverty due to the oppression and abuses of others, right?

If you think Jesus wasn't a socialist though, you need to learn to read the words in the bible, rather than just looking at the pictures in the childrens version.

The first thing wrong with this is that your ideology is materialist. That makes sense because that's what you are, a materialist. It's impossible for you to think like a Christian.

The second thing wrong with this is that Russian communism was a failure, and so then are you.

[Kidlicious]

You do know that when the communists took over Russia they actually were largely living in poverty due to the oppression and abuses of others, right?

If you think Jesus wasn't a socialist though, you need to learn to read the words in the bible, rather than just looking at the pictures in the childrens version.

The first thing wrong with this is that your ideology is materialist. That makes sense because that's what you are, a materialist. It's impossible for you to think like a Christian.

The second thing wrong with this is that Russian communism was a failure, and so then are you.