Bibi won!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well, then time to turn Israel in a parking lot I guess

[Hauldren Collider]

We spy on them and they spy on us dude. Allies spy on each other as much as they spy on their enemies. They'd be retarded not to. To them, this deal with Iran is an existential threat. There's no way in hell they won't do whatever they can to keep the deal from taking place. As they should.

[Berzerker]

including lie us into another war?

yeah, the allegation is that Bibi spied on us and then cherry picked information to bolster their position when he appeared before Congress

just like the Bush adm lying us into a war with Iraq

[C0ckney]

We spy on them and they spy on us dude. Allies spy on each other as much as they spy on their enemies. They'd be retarded not to. To them, this deal with Iran is an existential threat. There's no way in hell they won't do whatever they can to keep the deal from taking place. As they should.

this is the same HC who threw a hissy fit when al accused him of having more loyalty to israel than america.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It was too close to the mark, I guess .

[Imran Siddiqui]

Though the interesting part is those who are more loyal to Israel than the US trying to turn this into an "everyone spies on each other" thing when this is far beyond mere espionage.

[DinoDoc]

Though the interesting part is those who are more loyal to Israel than the US trying to turn this into an "everyone spies on each other" thing when this is far beyond mere espionage.

I'm more interested in why Congress is allegedly being kept more informed on the status of important national security negotiations from foreign intelligence services than they are from the Administration itself given its historical role in oversight of the Executive branch.

[Jon Miller]

I'm more interested in why Congress is allegedly being kept more informed on the status of important national security negotiations from foreign intelligence services than they are from the Administration itself given its historical role in oversight of the Executive branch.

Generally only the relevant committee is kept informed on every back and forth and not the full chamber.

JM

[DinoDoc]

Generally only the relevant committee is kept informed on every back and forth and not the full chamber.

They are among the people complaining about being cut out of the process.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It's irrelevant. The State Department generally has very wide latitude to conduct negotiations in secret and brief Congress afterwards.

It's akin to asking why care about what Edward Snowden did because the US public should have known about the information anyways.

[Hauldren Collider]

Imran, I'd be saying the same thing if we caught Britain or France or Germany or Japan doing this.

If that's not good enough for you, too bad. I don't really have any further inclination to try to prove my patriotism, particularly to someone who actually has a hammer and sickle unironically adorning his avatar.

Bottom line though: The Obama administration is in the wrong. Obama needs to be stopped. I care a little, but not much, how that happens.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yeeeeeahh... if France found out about a future Republican President's positions in a secret negotiation and sent it to the Democrats in order to sabotage the State Department, I'm sure you'd be fine with what France was doing...

[Hauldren Collider]

I'd be mad if I thought the president was doing the right thing, but I wouldn't be mad at them for their methods.

Just like I don't mind people going to war for the right causes, but I do mind people going to war for the wrong causes.

The key thing here is that Obama is doing something horrible, and Israel happens to be in the right. This time, I think America is in the wrong. Are you going to criticize me for not being blindly supportive of everything my government does?

FYI, I think America is a better place than Israel. I think it's more free, I think the economic laws are more fair, and I'd much rather live here. I am rather fond of Israel, and I fully support its actions vis a vis Palestine, Iran, etc, but I don't like it more than the USA

[Imran Siddiqui]

I don't believe you one bit.

[Hauldren Collider]

OK. IDGAF.