Bibi won!

[I AM MOBIUS]

Something is wrong with that Marine in the first picture of the article. He is described as a corporal but he is wearing lance corporal rank and while I'm not the best with medals and ribbons, I don't see a combat action ribbon or a people heart. Granted, he could have had very traumatic experiences without having received those decorations but there have been service members who have been fraudalent about their experiences.

Crap reporting on the part of NG, maybe the journo in question isn't au fait on the differences between a corporal and a lance corporal?

Maybe he decided not to wear his ribbons? I note you only have an issue with the first marine, so the others 'pass muster', so to speak?

Also a 'people heart', is that awarded for all the winning of 'hearts and minds' we heard about, interjected with mass murders of civilians...?

Also:

True casualties of Afghanistan and Iraq: At least 230,000 (of which 6,845 killed) and counting!

Does that not even phase you? This appalling cost of US lives - for worse than nothing!?

How easy it was for the US to assimilate you under its patriotic banner of blind and unquestioning (except for idiosyncrasies of military uniforms) loyalty to its military machine.

Hooah...

[onejayhawk]

Are we all in agreement despite the political and media spin that a nuclear armed Iran would not nuke Israel.

No. You assume too much rationality.

Hence exactly why Netanyahu won.

Because USA tried to get him ousted? I don't follow.

J

[C0ckney]

No. You assume too much rationality.

you actually think it would, why?

[N35t0r]

Maybe he's sayng that several people here are not rational and might actually fear that iran will try and nuke israe?

[C0ckney]

yeah maybe. i know regcolider expressed such views in the past, but they don't really count.

[onejayhawk]

Maybe he's sayng that several people here are not rational and might actually fear that iran will try and nuke israe?

you actually think it would, why?

I did not say that. I said I could not agree that they would not, which a lesser standard.

That said, I think there is a real chance that a faction would simply do what they say they intend to do. This is a very bellicose country. A generation ago they invaded the US embassy and paraded hostages around for over a year. That is the standard they use for success.

Bibi isn't paranoid. He has reason to fear WMD.

J

[C0ckney]

I did not say that. I said I could not agree that they would not, which a lesser standard.

That said, I think there is a real chance that a faction would simply do what they say they intend to do.

that seems like a very fine distinction. but anyway, you think they're more likely to use them than say pakistan or north korea. why?

This is a very bellicose country. A generation ago they invaded the US embassy and paraded hostages around for over a year. That is the standard they use for success.

well this century the US invaded the two neighbouring countries resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. both conflicts are still going on, US drones are murdering people everyday. it's hardly surprising the iranians are worried about US intentions, given how bellicose they are.

[kentonio]

That said, I think there is a real chance that a faction would simply do what they say they intend to do. This is a very bellicose country. A generation ago they invaded the US embassy and paraded hostages around for over a year. That is the standard they use for success.

A few decades before you'd overthrown their government in a coup and installed a brutal dictator for ****s sake. As one of the hostage takers said at the time "You have no right to complain, because you took our whole country hostage in 1953".

[onejayhawk]

A few decades before you'd overthrown their government in a coup and installed a brutal dictator for ****s sake. As one of the hostage takers said at the time "You have no right to complain, because you took our whole country hostage in 1953".

You defend my point. Was that intentional?

J

[onejayhawk]

that seems like a very fine distinction. but anyway, you think they're more likely to use them than say pakistan or north korea. why?

I did not say that, though both are bad enough.

well this century the US invaded the two neighbouring countries resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. both conflicts are still going on, US drones are murdering people everyday. it's hardly surprising the iranians are worried about US intentions, given how bellicose they are.

Like Kentonio, you make my case.

[kentonio]

You defend my point.

Only in your own head. You're pointing at the hostage crisis as if it's some prove of Iran's aggressive tendencies, while completely ignoring the much more aggressive US behaviour that led to that point. This idea that Iran are going to start throwing nukes around is paranoid bull****. The nuclear material would be traced back to them, and their entire government would be annihilated in response.

Yet apparently because some Iranians held some US diplomats hostage once during a revolution to free them from decades of US supported tyranny we're supposed to believe they are all psychopaths. Because of some inflamatory speech that one of their leaders gave domestically no less. ****, if we took seriously all the speeches that the American right wing gave domestically, the entire world would have allied against you years ago.

[C0ckney]

I did not say that, though both are bad enough.

Like Kentonio, you make my case.

do you actually have any explanation of your views to offer?

[DinoDoc]

Yet apparently because some Iranians held some US diplomats hostage once during a revolution to free them from decades of US supported tyranny we're supposed to believe they are all psychopaths.

The active and ongoing support they've given for terrorist acts worldwide is supposed to lead one to believe that the Iranian government is populated by psychopaths.

[kentonio]

The active and ongoing support they've given for terrorist acts worldwide is supposed to lead one to believe that the Iranian government is populated by psychopaths.

Were they supposed to invade America to push back against American aggression in the ME?

[C0ckney]

i dread to think what that makes the US government then