what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Bereta_Eder]

I wouldn't expect anything less from corbyn (from what little I know)

Now he must win too. (which of course I whole heartetly wish)

Outside of the dance, many tunes are known, as a popular saying goes
(c.c. but when you dance, there's only one tune)

[Bereta_Eder]

How many wars has the EU declared?

EU was about soft power.

That meant money.
Now money went out

Outside this general comment I don't know how else to respond.


How could the EU declare war on anyone when it (very wisely as it turns out) doesn't have an army?

[Bereta_Eder]

The EU: an admittedly flawed organization but one which is based on principles of genuine freedom, human rights and the protection and encouragement of art and culture.

If you're an enemy of that, then you're an enemy of everything I care about. I'm sure as **** not going to take seriously any attacks on that from citizens or supporters of a state that kills dissenting journalists, encourages the beating of homosexuals and foreigners, and annexes other countries territory with military forces.

I see PLATO has liked that comment but I have already responded to it.

Shouting in the echo chamber does not make a constraining POV more wide.


But I will go further since plato has liked it.


You claim that you support freedom and not annexation.

What about supporting Saudi Arabia?

You are a citizen of a country that openly supports a country that beheads homosexuals.
Why? Because it sells you oil. And you don't give a ****.

You talk about annexation.

But half of Cyprus got occupied by american made weapons. And Turkey is still enjoying preferential status.
Why? Because its geopolitical position serves your interests. And you don't give a ****.


What morality are you again claiming to have here?

[Bereta_Eder]

Now I talked about the UK exit being a blessing for Greece and that's because your lapdog follows the same cynical route you do.

It can't affect things much but every bit helps.

And there is another point.

While this didn't go on 100%, we could imagine that brits in the EU would have, to an extend, espoused *some* of the european values (no matter how shreded they now are)

But now, outside the EU and STILL occupying influencial posititions within it?

**** no.

get out of the shack

[Bereta_Eder]

This brings to my mind nazis.
I'm not saying you are nazis (since there is a detente ) but here me out

I was reading about thessaloniki and the german occupation.

Thessaloniki was aplenty with greek jews descended from shphardic jews from spain when the catholic church hunted them down and they found refuge in Greece.

The germans in their foam at the mouth hatred proposed to the local authorities to excavate the jews from the thessaloniki cemetary.
Of course, proposing is a bit mild.

The local authorities refused.

THe germans came back and claimed that the excavation of the whole cemetary would help the city "urban design"


You're the germans hunting the jews

[Bereta_Eder]

Your... urban design... is not convincing

[Bereta_Eder]

Now of course the first without sin cast the first stone and we're not them since we're dealing with egypt and it's not really a democracy (although there are deep historical ties with it and very friendly relations)

I was thinkigng about greece and turkey.

someone said it's about the soul of the two countries.

one soul (greek) is the sea the other soul (turkey is the land)

we can't surrender the soul of this country.

and maybe it's about resources but that STILL doesn't explain things


maybe it's jingoism but fact is

Greece is a full fledged democracy completely free and turkey is a dictoatorship...

there is no morality in who you support just interests.


wolfs like everyone

[Ellestar]

A timely story for our Russian (and Greek) friends..



http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...&utm_hp_ref=uk

Yeah, that's a senior aide to our opposition leader. Because in the West we all speak with one voice, and believe the same propaganda..

He went on to say that there was too much focus on Russian bombing of civilians, following the outcry over the strikes on hospitals in Aleppo and on a UN (???) convoy delivering aid.

And he's totally spreading all that propaganda. He confirms bombing of a convoy by Russia. And by the way, it was a Syrian Arab Red Crescent convoy that left government-controlled territory of Syria several hours ago, so if Assad wanted to stop it he could have just not given permission for it to cross the combat line. It is NOT United Nations convoy, another lie.

So the REAL story is that aid convoy of a non-profit organization that was heading from a Syrian government's side, with SARC headquarters in Damascus, was destroyed by *someone*. And then UN stopped it's convoys as a pretext. But it would be hard to believe that Assad or Russia decided to bomb an aid convoy from their own side, right? So west spreads the lies that it's an UN convoy.

Most of the hospitals in Aleppo were blown up by terrorists many years ago. They look like that. But western propaganda intentionally calls it "atrocity" and "bombing of a hospital". Just another example of shameless western lies.


So, thank you kentonio, you confirmed that your "opposition" leaders spread the same lies as your main western media.

[kentonio]

But I will go further since plato has liked it.


You claim that you support freedom and not annexation.

What about supporting Saudi Arabia?

You are a citizen of a country that openly supports a country that beheads homosexuals.
Why? Because it sells you oil. And you don't give a ****.

Which is why I've spent years attacking the wests relationship with the Saudis, including doing so just yesterday (I believe in this very thread)?

[kentonio]

And he's totally spreading all that propaganda. He confirms bombing of a convoy by Russia. And by the way, it was a Syrian Arab Red Crescent convoy that left government-controlled territory of Syria several hours ago, so if Assad wanted to stop it he could have just not given permission for it to cross the combat line. It is NOT United Nations convoy, another lie.

So the REAL story is that aid convoy of a non-profit organization that was heading from a Syrian government's side, with SARC headquarters in Damascus, was destroyed by *someone*. And then UN stopped it's convoys as a pretext. But it would be hard to believe that Assad or Russia decided to bomb an aid convoy from their own side, right? So west spreads the lies that it's an UN convoy.

Most of the hospitals in Aleppo were blown up by terrorists many years ago. They look like that. But western propaganda intentionally calls it "atrocity" and "bombing of a hospital". Just another example of shameless western lies.

So, thank you kentonio, you confirmed that your "opposition" leaders spread the same lies as your main western media.

Get over yourself you paranoid wankers. Yes you blew up some innocent people. Yes America also blew up some innocent people. In wars innocent people get blown up. When you reach the point of attacking people (like this aide) who are actually supporting your case though perhaps you need to pull your paranoid head out of your paranoid ass.

[BeBMan]

http://www.mfa.gr/missionsabroad/en/saudi-arabia-en/bilateral-relations/political-relations.html

Saudi Arabia - Greece and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

Political relations between Greece and Saudi Arabia are at a very good level. There is good cooperation with regard to candidacies in various international organizations.

The main sectors of cooperation between Greek and Saudi Arabian enterprises are petroleum products and construction.

[BeBMan]

Liarstar goes back and forth about bad stuff and propaganda, but says no word about his abomination

[Ellestar]

Just these days the BBC had a similar article reporting the US view that Russia is to blame (which is not the same as claiming it as a fact), but at the same time did report the Russian view as well as it quoted UN guys saying it is not conclusive so far what happened. It noted that Russia did change it's story several times now (same as with MH 17), but made no claim itself on who is to blame for the convoy attack.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37430824

As it stands, you are just pulling stuff out of your ass time and time again.

Now, back to this propaganda piece.

First, they use known and obvious fakes, without mentioning that it's a fake. More so, personally they use that fake to claim that Russian statement is false (it's not just reporting, BBC says that)

"Pictures appear to show at least one crater, contradicting Russia's assertion that there are none "

If it really was a direct bomb hit, with a tail of an OFAB 250/270 present there (as indentified by Bellingcat, another strictly anti-Russian source, so that's information from your side), then CONCRETE WALLS of this warehoure should be all over the countryside. Instead, we see that PAPER in ground zero is almost intact, with a small shreds.

OFAB 500 explosion looks like that, with particles blowing up to about 10-15 stories high (my estimate from this video, compared to a 5-story building behind the explosion). So OFAB 250 should have 50% of TNT and ((0,5)^(1/3)) = 80% blast radius.
In other words, even i understand that that entire warehouse should be blown to smithereens IF it was an OFAB 250/270 bomb. But it isn't, it's fake.

BBC takes their readers as tools that can be manipulated as they please.

[kentonio]

Do you have a PhD in structural engineering or some equivilent qualification or experience to gauge the effects of high explosives on buildings? Or are you perhaps just being one of those conspiracy theory guys like the 9/11 truthers?

[rah]

I''ll bet he's just copying it from other sites.