what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Ellestar]

There were more than one explosion.

It's probably best to conduct an investigation on site rather than on the internet.

Yep. Unfortunately, West, as usual, either doesn't do investigation before blaming Russia, or uses fakes so to blame Russia in their fake "investigation".

And Bellingcat is cited all over Wikipedia, by the way. As a reliable source, none the less. Even i can see that Bellingcat is posting fakes, and i'm not an expert.

Of course, most Bellingcat fakes aren't as blatant as that "bomb crater" one...

[The Mad Monk]

Burn marks on coloumns and ceiling, some boxes are damaged with something like small shrapnel. So something was blown up there, a hand grenade maybe? Then again, it doesn't make burn marks, i think. Really, i have no idea how it's possible to have burn marks on walls 3 meters away, and at the same time unburned cardboard boxes at ground zero without even burn marks.

Also, in that case a bomb should be there in one piece. So it's not that.


How can a bomb explode "a little bit"? Only detonator, but not a bomb itself? Well, i guess in theory it's possible, if it's a very-very old bomb, and it uses some kind of explosive that can deteroriate with time.

But in that case all other pieces of the bomb should be there, within the building. And a bomb tail should fly away from a crater, i guess?

The second part first. See the "if"? That was meant to indicate that it was a supposition; I didn't take it very seriously, and didn't expect you to, either. Of course bombs don't explode "a little bit".

My expectation is that the tailfin isn't just lying there; the rest of the bomb is still there, underneath it. The shrapnel you note is from fragments of concrete and earth thrown up when the bomb impacted.

Unexploded bombs do this often enough that they still dig up a couple from WWII in Europe every couple years.

[The Mad Monk]

I'd say the burn marks are from some earlier event.

[The Mad Monk]

It appears that I underestimated the amount of ordnance found.

[kentonio]

Yeah, now i see, things like you can't even match effects of a bomb hit on a video with a claimed "effects of a bomb hit" on a picture, even if i give you all the links. You have zero intelligence and you claim that i have no intelligence as well, that's your only argument? And BBC and other "experts" know it and use stupidity of their readers. Or more like "lookers", things don't really have intelligence so to be able to read.

Look, tool, if you're not intelligent to discuss anything, why do you even try?

Seriously, you have no intelligence and you're not even ashamed to claim that you have none. What you forgot on Apolyton? It's a strategy games forum. And you're supposed to have intelligence so to be able to play them. Go to tetris forum, or something.

P.S. And just when i posted that you can't be as retarded, you proven that you indeed are.

Have you ever heard the expression 'A little knowledge is a dangerous thing'? It has never been more true than when it comes to armchair internet commentators 'analyzing' extremely complex scientific effects. "Oh but how could it be x when it looks like y?! It's clearly a coverup!!".

Do you know what a plane looks like when it crashes into the ground? No you don't, because until it happens basically no-one knows what it will look like. Sometimes it will resemble a crashed plane, sometimes there will be little more than a smudge on the ground, sometimes they'll find fragments miles away, sometimes it will be largely all in a fairly small radius. The point being that physics is complicated. If you release a vast amount of energy in a real world situation, then there are so many different variables in play that predicting how something will look, or even telling what happened afterwards is not simple, and is certainly not something you can casually do by looking at a few photos on the internet.

To put it another way, there's a ****ing reason crash and bomb and fire investigators spend weeks/months painstakingly examining the sites of incidents, instead of just pulling up a photo and going 'Oh, x must have happened, case over'.

[Ellestar]

The second part first. See the "if"? That was meant to indicate that it was a supposition; I didn't take it very seriously, and didn't expect you to, either. Of course bombs don't explode "a little bit".

Yeah, usually a detonator fails. That's common. I'm not sure if i heard that detonator exploded and main charge doesn't, but it's possible in theory.

My expectation is that the tailfin isn't just lying there; the rest of the bomb is still there, underneath it. The shrapnel you note is from fragments of concrete and earth thrown up when the bomb impacted.

Tailpin is separate, i think there were some higher-resolution photos... Yeah, like this one on Bellingcat

https://017qndpynh-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/IMG-20160922-WA0004.jpg

And in any case it would have been all over the internet by now if there was a bomb there.

[Ellestar]

To put it another way, there's a ****ing reason crash and bomb and fire investigators spend weeks/months painstakingly examining the sites of incidents, instead of just pulling up a photo and going 'Oh, x must have happened, case over'.

Why, oh why West doesn't do it before blaming Russia? And if West does, poor Russia doesn't have any choice but to get dragged into all these bull**** baseless accusations

So yeam, you're totally right... Now tell all these Western sources to stop doing what they do. There is no need to tell ME that. I'm not the one blaming Russia less than 24 hours after the event and posting fake photos all over the internet.

[Aeson]

Ellestar is a false flag operative. He's here to make Russians look paranoid. That's exactly what the CIA wants us to think

[Egbert]

Aeson is from the CIA. Here to make us think that the CIA want us to think the Russians look paranoid.

[BeBMan]

Let's turn this into a forum game: each poster accuses the previous one to be from the CIA

Braindead is from the CIA. Here to make us think that the CIA want us to think the Australians are hated (or not hated).

[Dinner]

I''ll bet he's just copying it from other sites.

Winner!

[Egbert]

Oerdin is from the CIA.

[Aeson]

Braindead is a CIA operative who has infiltrated the land down under in hopes to convince us that Australians have no bananas ...

[Ellestar]

By the way, i pledge guilty. Not all westerners are completely brainwashed.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/vox/monde/2016/10/11/31002-20161011ARTFIG00146-caroline-galacteros-la-decision-de-vladimir-poutine-humilie-la-diplomatie-francaise.php

[kentonio]

Oerdin is from the CIA.

Given his prior service in military propaganda, he probably is the most likely person here to be in the CIA.