what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Aeson]

I don't see any opinion on the part of the reporter in that article. Reporting means reporting what happened, and letting the reader come to their own conclusions.

My personal take away from that story is negative Kerry, since I was against getting involved in Syria. Others will think it puts Kerry in a better light, since they support increasing involvement in Syria.

Propaganda would be for the article to be pushing a point of view AND be part of a wider unified push on the part of news sources to push that point of view. It doesn't, and there are plenty of very disparate views on Syria in the news.

[BeBMan]

What do you mean by "Non-parallel shadows"?

That your skills in analyzing pics are roughly on the same level as your understanding of concepts like "most" or "independence".

[kentonio]

So, i see a sign, a ramp of a trailer with a sunlight on it (better to check it on original video, looks like sunlight to me, it becomes awfully obvious 5 frames later, but then we don't see shadow on the same image).
But there is no trailer ramp on a shadow. If there is sunlight on a ramp, sunlight should fall to the road too because there are no other things blocking sunlight. But shadow is a straight line. So, here, i proven that that video is a 100% fake.

This is so utterly retarded that it actually defies belief that you can perform simple manual tasks like walking, or breathing.

[kentonio]

So, you see your part of the western press, where it may act fair (but i don't know your internal things so i have no way to judge and see it), and i see my part of your western press, where it is always anti-Russian no matter what, and facts and truth be damned. You see, it's not just biased, it's intentionally anti-Russian no matter what.

The press used to be pretty nice about Russia until you went back to being a bunch of warmongering thugs who assassinate journalists, crush internal opposition and annex parts of foreign countries.

As a result of it, you think hey, we have a normal free western press, everything is fine with it. And, i see, what a bunch of spinners of liars is there in that "free" western press that is owned by anti-Russian capitalists.

Oh yeah, I forgot paranoid.

[kentonio]

thing is russia can streamroll half of europe in a day.

Don't be ****ing stupid. The Russian military today is a shadow of what it was during the Cold War.

[Ellestar]

This is so utterly retarded that it actually defies belief that you can perform simple manual tasks like walking, or breathing.

That your skills in analyzing pics are roughly on the same level as your understanding of concepts like "most" or "independence".

In other words, i'm right and you have no arguments. Yeah, and Joint Investigation Team are a bunch of scammers.

[BeBMan]

In other words, i'm right and you have no arguments.

You have not demonstrated yet that you are capable of doing an open debate without distorting stuff when it fits to your agenda, so don't be surprised when ppl don't waste much time with your nonsense.

[Ellestar]

You have not demonstrated yet that you are capable of doing an open debate without distorting stuff when it fits to your agenda, so don't be surprised when ppl don't waste much time with your nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[BeBMan]

Says the guy who routinely calls anyone brainwashed who does not follow his line

[Ellestar]

John Kerry tells to Russian people

http://sputniknews.com/military/20161004/1045983676/kerry-nato-russia.html

"NATO is a defensive alliance. The Russian people, in particular, should know that despite what their leaders sometimes tell them our alliance does not seek to weaken, to contain or to defy their nation or any other nations," Kerry said at the German Marshall Fund of the United States in Brussels.

What John Kerry told he personally did to Vietnamese people

http://patriotpost.us/pages/210

"[American troops in Vietnam] personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, [blew] up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to...the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country. ... There are all kinds of atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed...." --John Kerry in his 1971 testimony before Congress

[kentonio]

What John Kerry told he personally did to Vietnamese people

"[American troops in Vietnam] personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, [blew] up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to...the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country. ... There are all kinds of atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed...." --John Kerry in his 1971 testimony before Congress

http://patriotpost.us/pages/210

You see things like this make you look as dishonest as Ben. Those little ... in your 'quote' separate substantial passages which radically change the meaning. What he actually said in regards to commiting atrocities was the following..

There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant [William] Calley, are war criminals.

TLDR: Please don't be Ben.

[rah]

Quite a stretch connecting the second bolded part to the first bolded one. I highly doubt he was confessing to doing ALL those things. He was saying that he participated in some like many soldiers did.

At least he was willing to admit it. Unlike your constant denial of the atrocities the Russians troops did during WWII.
There is no one here denying that some atrocities where committed during the Vietnam war. Many soldiers were disciplined for them also.

x-post. but the same sentiment.

[The Mad Monk]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact or when used in certain kinds of moral and practical reasoning.

[Ellestar]

Quite a stretch connecting the second bolded part to the first bolded one. I highly doubt he was confessing to doing ALL those things. He was saying that he participated in some like many soldiers did.

Yeah, but he was talking about ALL NATO in his speech. And that's what ALL participating NATO soldiers did in Vietnam. So, while he didn't personally do ALL of it, ALL of it was done by "defensive" NATO in Vietnam. And it wasn't the only "defensive" NATO operation.

My point was that Russians are not stupid to believe that NATO is a "defensive" military alliance. Especially when NATO is THE most offensive military alliance in entire Earth, by far.

[Ellestar]

Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact or when used in certain kinds of moral and practical reasoning.

Let's see. "Credibility of statement" can't apply because i used official video, so it's not my credibility. And basic logical reasoning about shadows is, again, not my invention either.
Practical reasoning. Again, there is nothing wrong with my reasoning, and if there is something practically wrong, it should be easy to argue without Ad hominem - after all, shadows are common sense and some geometry, school level stuff that everyone knows. So every single capable person on earth with a school education is good enough for reasoning about shadows, you included (hopefully).

So, what's left? Moral reasoning about shadows? I'm not morally superior enough to reason about wrong shadows? That's your argument?