what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Serb]

I hope so.

I know I'm too jerkish sometimes. Then I have remorse attacks, because of that.

[Serb]

But, there was a trap. If that was a trap at all. I have found in myself strength to admit my mistakes. And I was honest, when I was telling about them. And the other side just thinks he is flawless. He thinks he won, instead of just talking.

We can't hear each other. That's why you the West and us the East will kill each other. Unfortunately.


Consider that to be my little social experiment (Though everything I have said to GC was true. I didn't lie).

[Serb]

Peace

[Giancarlo]

I'm not saying I won or anything. This is just the internet. Nobody wins in an internet argument. They just leave annoyed or pissed off.

I'm not flawless myself. I have issues. I have identity issues (gender wise), but hey I'm just me.

Peace be with you. It is in all our interests. To live.

[Serb]

Ok! Now I feel ashamed once again - you do can talk!
So we are not so hopeless, as I thought.
Peace, indeed!

[Serb]

And I'm sorry for the other tread.

[Proteus_MST]

Fitting to this newfound harmony:
John Lennons "Imagine", sung by contestants in Childrens Voice of Russia

[Giancarlo]

Ok! Now I feel ashamed once again - you do can talk!
So we are not so hopeless, as I thought.
Peace, indeed!

Nothing to feel ashamed about. Perhaps some things got lost in translation and there are cultural barriers.

You are proud of your country. I get that and some of my criticisms went too far.

Now I do wish LGBT people were treated equally in all parts of the globe, but that is just an issue close to my heart.

[Bereta_Eder]

Kosovo wasn't annexed as part of any western country and the military intervention was entirely under international framework and was legal.

Not at all.

Kosovo intervention was is and will be illegal under international law because it wasn't under the auspices of the UN security council.

It was a land grab same as crimea, same as cyprus.

Immediate incorporation of a illegally detached territory from a sovereign country to another is beyond the point.

[Bereta_Eder]

And then there are other things.

How NATO basically turned territories into lawless ISIS hot zones, how it facilitated ethnic cleansing and enforced homogenuity in stolen territories and much more.


Don't worry, all of that is ahead of us and we will meet them.

[Bereta_Eder]

About what and why it happened, it's simple.

After the temporary collapse of the USSR, NATO was lost.
Its primary reason to exist was vanished.
That the heads of state ammased and concluded to continue doesn't mean anything at all.

UCK was made and equipped and trained by the US/UK. NGOs flamed nationalist feelings, replacing the benevolent communist system with its capitalist rapid dog, nationalism.

NATO was again manufacturing its reason to exist.

It persevered even when its mission was over, it broke international law, it manufactured (mainly US/UK) a crisis to topple the last true socialist government in Europe and then the perpatrator presented itself as savior.

There is ample evidence of this.

Also the hague tribunal was a charade. All the heads of state had the right to invite any and all witnesses they wished. It was not granted to them.
That is after the hague's tribunal inception again broke international law.

[Giancarlo]

Not at all.

Kosovo intervention was is and will be illegal under international law because it wasn't under the auspices of the UN security council.

It was a land grab same as crimea, same as cyprus.

Immediate incorporation of a illegally detached territory from a sovereign country to another is beyond the point.

This is not true by any stretch of the imagination as the intervention was not illegal and fully allowed under international law. Crimea was wholly condemned.

There was no land grab as far as Kosovo.

[Bereta_Eder]

Kosovo intervention was is and will be illegal since it never had the UN security approval.
Even NATO says as much.

Crimea land grab is indifferent to lots of people and besides it doesn't limit itself to it since large swarths of Ukranian land are defacto under autonomous control.

Crimea/ eastern Ukraine and Kosovo are identical.

None had UN security council clerance and both were tried to be legitimized through referendums.


The only difference is that there was zero blood spilled for crimea and that there was complete ethnic cleasing of the Kosovo provence prior to the referendum.

[Giancarlo]

NATO never said that. Kosovo was not a land grab. It was a humanitarian intervention.

Crimea was a land grab.

[Bereta_Eder]

So was Crimea and/or eastern Ukraine.

NATO specifically bypasses the fact that there was no UN security clearance and that it acted as a rogue element.